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10-05-2011, 11:06 AM
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On the +/-8 Vallon / Tallon Ruleset it was only coin if I remember correctly. I was fighting a twink on beta last night. He was owning us (a group of three, his equivalent level) After a while we all just retreated because there was no incentive to continue fighting except, perhaps, to lose more experience. There was nothing to gain, like one of his shiny twink items. I am in favor of +/-4 level ruleset with item and coin loot. Out of range healers was just something that happened now and then. You bag your shit, kiss your ass goodbye and move on. Regardless, I will play the server any way it comes. Rogean I (and many others) appreciate the work you're doing here.[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] | |||
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10-05-2011, 01:15 PM
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On VZ we almost always used the LnS system. Hardly anyone bindrushed; if they did they would ruin their player reputation. Once you die, you're dead.. you're supposed to loot your corpse, and get out of that zone. There shouldn't be anything to gain from bindrushing, because bindrushing is dumb. Anyway, I guess I would be ok with players only losing coin to people within 4-5 (5 is better) levels. This would prevent the 42 cleric from losing all their cash for helping their 60 friends, and sounds like a good idea in that regard. What I find utterly disappointing, though, is that none of you are trying to do anything about these injustices you witness. The great thing about pvp this open is that it allows for different ways to deal with these problems. Why not join/start a guild based on the premise that you're better, more honorable and kind than these people? Something like an anti guild, that takes time out of your day to help these poor defenseless noobs from the +8 gankers? A level 30+ buff class could seriously turn the tides of these CB brawls in favor of the peaceful elves not wanting to gank greens. You certainly have the ability to, and by the looks of this thread there are enough of you. Instead of actually doing something about it, you come here to whine and try to have it changed. Why not create a force opposed to that which you do not like?
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10-05-2011, 06:51 PM
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10-05-2011, 05:16 AM
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I really do not understand the problem. Were you expecting to not kill you when given the opportunity? Did you expect every fight to be fair? This is war, not dueling on a blue server.
You're gonna die, lots. We all are. Is it that big of a problem?
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10-05-2011, 05:48 AM
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No, in war you have at least two defined factions/nations etc. This is not war, this is.. anarchy?
Since I have to spell it out: The problem is the huge disparity between levels combined with the fact that you can cause someone to lose exp and their money while not having any chance of defending themselves. You know why SZ worked with its rules set? There was no real incentive to killing lowbies. The only reason to repeatedly kill lowbies is if they were twinks and you wanted to draw out some higher levels. The real incentive was to fight those who were within 5 levels of you. You could loot them and get insignias and cause them to lose exp. Here? Well if you can kill light blues who have no real chance of defending themselves and easily defeat them while taking their cash and causing them to lose exp, why ever fight anyone your level, or who can kill you? The smart people will do that. Unfortunately I have this really handicapping sense of honor and can't bring myself to do it. I really wish I could, but when I do it, I seriously feel bad IRL about it. There is just no fun out of owning someone who you know has no chance of killing you (for me anyways). I could do this on SZ... I think it was because of the teams aspect. It truly did feel like war; kill or be killed; fuck those other bastards. I guess I just like having who my enemies are more defined.
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10-05-2011, 06:18 AM
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Dude, I got griefed so hard when I was new on SZ. There were whole days where I made no progress because level 50+ assclowns would routinely clear out low-level zones and corpse camp and fuck with you just so you couldn't level. Your only choice was to ask others for help, and since the SZ playerbase was not too unlike red99's, you'd mostly get people going "lol blubie lern 2 play nub" as you know. The level range ensures that you're never completely incapable of fighting back.
It's not much fun fighting someone 7 levels higher than you and you'll lose almost every time, but the alternative is worse. Every time you're in a situation where you'd want to compete with someone over content rights but can't attack them due to the level range, the essence of PvP is pointless. If someone is in the same leveling area as you, it should be natural to be able to fight them. That won't always be the case with a smaller level range. Taking the occasional unavoidable death from randomly running past someone who's just within your +range is something you just have to live with. It can often be avoided - gating, hiding or even just running will let you get away from many of those situations once you're at a level where your class can fend for itself. I'd have no problem limiting cashloot and XP loss to +/- 4 levels, but the attackable range is the way it is because a smaller range would create a bunch of problems that are much worse than getting ganked by reds now and then. Most of them won't make a habit of it if you keep your mouth shut about it. | ||
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10-05-2011, 06:31 AM
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As I said in the other thread stop focusing on the 1v1 aspect of it. So what if you lost 1v1 to someone higher level than you, if you tighten the level range then you severely hinder the open world group PvP that so many of us are looking forward to.
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10-05-2011, 08:23 AM
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10-05-2011, 12:10 PM
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What? What's wrong with the dynamic system, aside from the few bugs that will be fixed before the server goes live? Is it better to allow unattackable healers than to not allow it? That makes no sense. How is someone supposed to "deal with the lvl 51 cleric" when they can't, you know, attack the guy?
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