New Druid Advice from the experts

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am not sure why people keep trying to claim getting Goblin Ring is going to be easy to get.

You're either fighting windmills or moving the goalposts, I don't think anyone said this? The killing is easy but it's 3-4% drop rate at an average of like 3 couriers per hour at the double spawn IIRC so of course it's rare. We also all explained to you that the camp sucks ass, which should also greatly contribute to rarity.

Never hurts to try especially if you're getting decent exp.

[loramin]

Let's be honest: very few people are masochistic enough to read to this point in the thread [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If they are, they just see (what looks like) two sides of "experts" disagreeing. They've never used the ring, so they have no basis to judge.

I could reference other threads (this forum is full of praise for the goblin ring), or I could respond point by point ... but it would just create more noise. No matter what I write, the disingenuous among us will keep responding, and the argument won't end.

Instead, I'll attempt to bring clarity to our imagined masochist reader. Either I'm wrong, and so are all of these people ...

Originally Posted by spoil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's a super item, too bad it's relatively expensive.

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The goblin ring is clearly really good and if you choose to start with that and nothing else, you'll have a great time charming on the druid.

Originally Posted by vales [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Invisibility vs animals is 30 mana (and 3 second cast time), you save way more than 30 mana by letting mobs get lower health with an instant cast invis. The spell slot/mana cost of invis is just a bonus, not the focus. You can't predict consistently enough to get the same efficiency as an instant cast, because there are combat rounds where mob hp doesn't move at all, and sometimes consecutive rounds where it spikes.

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The ring gives you more control on charm breaks which means you can break with the mob at a sliver of life consistently. This lets you finish mobs with less mana intensive nukes and nuking is often the most mana intensive part of the ordeal. I routinely finish mobs in their mid-high 40s with a sub 300dd nuke, which is sub 5% hp ...

It is also absolutely easier to not lose mobs when they're a hair away from death, that is not even up for debate. With my keybinds, its 2 strokes and its done, almost instant. You can claim you have S-tier invis timing but when you're juggling a 5 mobs reverse charm your pet is basically losing anywhere between 5-20% hp per round. That 2 seconds delay is bound to miss the mark more often than not as it can be tricky even with a ring. It doesn't have to be that extreme though, just 2 rounds with double attacks and max hits can make you lose your mob.

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The ring trivializes leveling any charm class ... Few items have an immediate result of making a class much easier to level. This is at least as helpful as a fungi is for all who can wear it but 1/5th the cost. If you see one for sale you don’t haggle…you are just glad you don’t have to rot your life away in LoIO.

Or DSM is wrong ...

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Main benefit to goblin ring is the spell slot and mana it saves

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've seen no evidence that shows instant casting specifically for invis is significant for charm breaks.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like the other posters, you have no evidence to suggest the 2 second difference in charm break is significant. If I can predict when to break charm 2 seconds early, you can too.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I find that last one particularly amusing: DSM was unaware that only a single person (not "other posters") agreed with him ...

As you can see, Loramin is unable to provide evidence for his claims, or rebut my points. He must resort to an ad populum fallacy. Thank you for admitting defeat.

The best part? He read that wrong too. "Other posters" was referring to the people who disagreed with me. We should really keep track of how many times Loramin misreads something.

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're either fighting windmills or moving the goalposts, I don't think anyone said this?

Loramin is saying it:

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyone can see the reported drop rates here: https://wiki.project1999.com/Goblin_Gazughi_Ring, ranging from five minutes to ten hours, so I'll call it five hours. Now, those reports are likely from someone doing a two-spawn camp, but the low-level Druid can only hold a one-spawn camp, so let's double that to ten hours.

You can spend ten hours (maybe less if you are luckier) doing the exact same thing you would be doing anywhere else (killing mobs for XP), and get an incredible item that will help you level faster for 25 levels...

If everybody could spend 10 hours or less at level 12-24 to get Goblin Ring, they would have done it already, and the server would be flooded with low cost Goblin Rings.

[loramin]

P.S. To be fair, I should have noted there was one other poster on the DSM side. Back on page 1:

Originally Posted by kjs86z2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

id much rather have a bigger hp pool and more az than gobby ring

not hard to break w/ invis

EDIT: I misread something and removed that quote like 0.5 second after I posted. But congrats, after collecting all those quotes I misread one (and it took me 0.5 seconds to fix): I'm a terrible person. Now, maybe try responding to the substance? Or better yet, don't?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EDIT: I misread something and removed that quote like 0.5 second after I posted. But congrats, after collecting all those quotes I misread one (and it took me 0.5 seconds to fix): I'm a terrible person. Now, maybe try responding to the substance? Or better yet, don't?

P.S. To be fair, I should have noted there was one other poster on the DSM side. Back on page 1:

You've misread at least three things so far:
1. You thought mana saving from Goblin Ring was "invis mana".
2. You claimed that I said "you must be level 45 before you could farm plat". You still haven't apologized for that after ranting about it for pages.
3. You tried to use an ad populum fallacy with that "other posters" quote.

[loramin]

And when I make a mistake (in this case, one that lasted literally seconds ... you must have been psychopathically refreshing the thread to even see it...) I acknowledge it.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And when I make a mistake (in this case, one that lasted literally seconds ... you must have been psychopathically refreshing the thread to even see my mistake ...) I acknowledge it.

Then please admit you were wrong when you quoted me saying "you need to be level 45 before you can farm plat". I never said that, and you implied it in multiple posts.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then please admit you were wrong when you quoted me saying "you need to be level 45 before you can farm plat". I never said that, and you implied it in multiple posts.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I could respond point by point ... but it would just create more noise. No matter what I write, the disingenuous among us will keep responding, and the argument won't end.

So instead, I'll respond with a quote from the only human being to support your position on the Goblin Ring ... in this entire 20-page thread:

Originally Posted by kjs86z2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i swear DSM is a high functioning AI

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Loramin:

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And when I make a mistake I acknowledge it.

Loramin refusing to acknowledge his mistake literally in the next post with an insult:

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So instead, I'll respond with a quote from the only human being to support your position on the Goblin Ring ... in this entire 20-page thread:

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You've misread at least three things so far:
1. You thought mana saving from Goblin Ring was "invis mana".

The way I read the exchange it was DSM who misread Loramin.

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wow, I haven't seen a "DSM says something completely wrong, with total confidence" hot take in a while [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The main benefit of the ring has nothing to do with the spell slot or saving invis mana!

DSM says one of the main benefits is the mana it saves [on casting invis]. Loramin critiques that and says "saving invis mana" as a shorthand for "saving mana on casting invis". He's not making up some new "invis mana" concept.