Sleeper being awoken tonight (April 13th)

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by sounion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Keeping the sleeper sleeping is loot denial of you want to frame it that way. But if everyone capable of waking the sleeper on a server AGREES to that denial, then it's a non issue.

I cant believe this nit-picky bullshit is in its 43rd page. Go outside. I'm disappointed in myself for reading this far.

To Seal Team decision makers (cause it wasn't everyone people), wish you weren't dicks about it.

Also to Seal Team, grats on the accomplishment. You had to neck-beard, hot-pocket, forego a life, and piss off an entire server to do it, but you DID accomplish a feat which deserves some respect. There most certainly will be a price to pay beyond what you've paid already, but you did earn the opportunity.

It's not framing, it's fact. The only framing going on is people claiming you can loot deny Scepter of Destruction and Shroud of Longevity, but you can't loot deny Essence Lens lol. Even if everyone agrees that it's only loot denial for waking Sleeper, they are still factually incorrect. Everybody could agree that the sun no longer exists, but that doesn't make it true.

Again, you are just mad at Seal Team. Half your entire post is just a backhanded compliment.

If you are so much better than everybody on these forums, why bother posting here? Just go outside[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Tunabros]

watch two people who never seen warders or got warder loot argue about warder loot

lol

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Tunabros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

watch two people who never seen warders or got warder loot argue about warder loot

lol

Yup, you can debate without getting warder loot. That is not a requirement.

[sajbert]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Essence Lens is better than all Warder Loot, with the exception of SoD, Shroud, and maybe Mask of Tinkering. All other Warder loot is pretty sub par, even the resistance stones. So you could easily argue Essence Lens is the better option anyway, as more classes can use it.

So besides the actual legacy warder loot that anyone really cares about (save easier access to primal weapons), Lense is better? Great argument.

And no, delaying the quest is not the same as flat out removing the reward for others.

Originally Posted by Tunabros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

watch two people who never seen warders or got warder loot argue about warder loot

lol

Wasn’t on blue p99 when sleeper was awoken. On Green most of us were denied the experience, which is why there is an argument in the first place. Not gonna no-life and wake up at 4am just for pixels that’s of no use to my class anyway. Given 6-12 months the rest of the raiding guilds would have gotten there.

But yeah great point, I’m sure if only ST could argue the matter here there’s be more or a consensus.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So besides the actual legacy warder loot that anyone really cares about (save easier access to primal weapons), Lense is better? Great argument.

And no, delaying the quest is not the same as flat out removing the reward for others.


Wasn’t on blue p99 when sleeper was awoken. On Green most of us were denied the experience, which is why there is an argument in the first place. Not gonna no-life and wake up at 4am just for pixels that’s of no use to my class anyway. Given 6-12 months the rest of the raiding guilds would have gotten there.

But yeah great point, I’m sure if only ST could argue the matter here there’s be more or a consensus.

I would just ignore death silky he is one of those people who can never admit he’s wrong and will just keep making up different arguments and moving goalposts every time

[Phraxas]

Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wasn’t on blue p99 when sleeper was awoken. On Green most of us were denied the experience, which is why there is an argument in the first place. Not gonna no-life and wake up at 4am just for pixels that’s of no use to my class anyway. Given 6-12 months the rest of the raiding guilds would have gotten there.

so you did nothing to get warder/primals or experience ST but you think you deserve the right to the warder/primals or experience of ST.

Remind you of something in the society we look down upon??

[sajbert]

Originally Posted by Phraxas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so you did nothing to get warder/primals or experience ST but you think you deserve the right to the warder/primals or experience of ST.

Remind you of something in the society we look down upon??

I unlike ST don’t believe I am entitled to anything, I enjoy P99 at a more reasonable pace instead of monopolizing content by blazing through it at expense of real life function and obligations. I don’t believe that going to the dumbest lengths is a good metric for who should get to experienxe what on P99 but that’s exactly what the devs wanted for Green p99.

I’ve also been a member of ST, I know of the ”welfare pixel”-jargon. Oh and I don’t look down on people on welfare, but you do you man. You sound like a real success.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I unlike ST don’t believe I am entitled to anything, I enjoy P99 at a more reasonable pace instead of monopolizing content by blazing through it at expense of real life function and obligations. I don’t believe that going to the dumbest lengths is a good metric for who should get to experienxe what on P99 but that’s exactly what the devs wanted for Green p99.

I’ve also been a member of ST, I know of the ”welfare pixel”-jargon. Oh and I don’t look down on people on welfare, but you do you man. You sound like a real success.

Why is playing a game mechanic as intended entitled? And why is forcing everybody to play the game your way (keeping Sleeper sleeping) not entitled?

[Phraxas]

Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I unlike ST don’t believe I am entitled to anything, I enjoy P99 at a more reasonable pace instead of monopolizing content by blazing through it at expense of real life function and obligations. I don’t believe that going to the dumbest lengths is a good metric for who should get to experienxe what on P99 but that’s exactly what the devs wanted for Green p99.

I’ve also been a member of ST, I know of the ”welfare pixel”-jargon. Oh and I don’t look down on people on welfare, but you do you man. You sound like a real success.

who said anything bout looking down at welfare? i dont look down on welfare but i do look down on entitlement and believing you deserve something just because you exist. and thats what all these, ST is toxic for waking the sleeper complaints are.

they go 7 months without competing for a single key, 2 months later complain they didnt get a shot... thats not welfare, thats entitlement friend

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So besides the actual legacy warder loot that anyone really cares about (save easier access to primal weapons), Lense is better? Great argument.

And no, delaying the quest is not the same as flat out removing the reward for others.


Wasn’t on blue p99 when sleeper was awoken. On Green most of us were denied the experience, which is why there is an argument in the first place. Not gonna no-life and wake up at 4am just for pixels that’s of no use to my class anyway. Given 6-12 months the rest of the raiding guilds would have gotten there.

But yeah great point, I’m sure if only ST could argue the matter here there’s be more or a consensus.

Shroud and SoD are only used on 2 classes. Essence Lens can easily argued to be better, since it is generally second or third BiS for all classes. Good luck getting BiS Earring/Ring slot, which is Vulak/AoW loot. 14 classes can benefit from Essence Lens instead of two. Also, you do not need SoD, Shroud, or Essence Lens to do any content in the game. It isn't like they are game changing. People just like them because they are legacy.

Delaying waking Sleeper is denying the Essence Lens rewards lol. It's factually true. Every day Sleeper is sleeping, you can't get Essence Lens. That is denying loot. If you never wake the sleeper (which a lot of people are suggesting), that is the equivalent of removing Essence Lens entirely. Arguing for keeping the Sleeper sleeping forever is arguing to permanently remove Essence Lens from the game.

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would just ignore death silky he is one of those people who can never admit he’s wrong and will just keep making up different arguments and moving goalposts every time

You have yet to provide any evidence for these baseless claims[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] I have admitted to being wrong plenty of times. But I don't have to do it when I am right and you are wrong lol. Just because you disagree with me doesn't make me wrong and you right.

Most of the time when people claim I am "moving goalposts", it is because they are simply too lazy to read my previous comments, so they don't know what I have and haven't said.

Also, I don't tell people to ignore you when I disagree with you. Shame. You're simply angry I don't agree with you, and are trying to discredit me any way you can with silly comments like this.