When are they Implementing the Charm Nerf?

[commongood]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd still have provided more evidence than you have to this conversation.

But I would love to see you provide some! If I'm wrong, it should be easy to find tons of posts of Enchanters (and Druids/Bards/Necros) shouting from the rooftops "hey, charm is easy and safe, it's the way to level in this game".

You are on the side of the argument wanting things to change from the status quo. Therefor it's up to you to provide evidence that a change is needed. Not the other way around.

A change might be needed. I don't know. But I don't think you have presented anything resembling compelling evidence. Anecdotes about how "everyone who played in classic remembers X, Y and Z" is not good evidence, sorry.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To me, that reads like an argument that our server is highly unclassic! In other words, because our emulator emulates Enchanters poorly, lots more people choose them than they would if our emulator was accurate. Thank you for the support [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I got news for your loramin, no one cares what you think, especially after confirming what has long been suspected : you, both then and now, knew virtually nothing about classic enchanters. thank you for the rare honesty.

[Jibartik]

I still stand by the idea that the reason people were not charm soloing for 3 years when the game first came out, is the same reason they were not until like 6 years after p99 came out.

Anyone like catherin want to school me on how charm soloing was something that the server did from day one?

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyone like catherin want to school me on how charm soloing was something that the server did from day one?

Charm solo'ing on P99 was very much done right off the bat. You had enchanters charming red-con dars and solo'ing lower guk because things like high-con resist rates weren't implemented and charm lasted full duration every time (you could and they did set their clocks by it). Whatever tuning it might need at present, charm is MUCH better than the absurdly broken mess it was at P99 launch!

And yes, there were people who pinky-swore that even that level of brokenness was totally classic and legit. Funny stuff.

EDIT: Let's not forget how silly whirl till you hurl was, that also made crowd control and damage mitigation a breeze.

[Jibartik]

whats the like going consensus on the more accurate charm?

[loramin]

I can only make the best argument I can with the evidence available. If you aren't swayed, that's your call, but ultimately it's not you that I'm trying to sway.

[-Catherin-]

I mean at the end of the day, it probably isn't going to sway anyone because this isn't even in the bug forum lol. I wonder how often they even look here. But then, the bug forum requires actual evidence too.

[JDAm0nk]

People seem to love talking past each other & in circles here.

From the first page of this thread:

http://www.eqemulator.org/forums/sho...d.php?p=266999

Which is related to:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=395675

TL;DR - "Making channeling classic would represent a fundamental change to P99 gameplay mechanics which will reintroduce difficulty at all levels of the game and likely put an end to a lot of existing "cheesy" strategies. It may also even allow reverting AE group nerf changes as AE killing mobs would be significantly more challenging. This change will reintroduce a lot of the difficulty involved in soloing in particular especially indoors or without SoW/Jboots and in theory should encourage more grouping and social behaviour which I feel is lacking on P99 due to the ease of soloing and primarily related to channeling ability. It may also add to the difficulty of high level play including raiding and especially in situations where players are currently relying on being able to cast while being attacked by multiple high level mobs."

Hilariously this would also have a massive impact on Shaman soloing. Especially for non-Ogres [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[loramin]

Originally Posted by -Catherin- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean at the end of the day, it probably isn't going to sway anyone because this isn't even in the bug forum lol. I wonder how often they even look here. But then, the bug forum requires actual evidence too.

Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't, but I'm not just trying to convince him.

My point was, there's a bunch of Enchanter players who will not be convinced, no matter what I say, just as there was a lot of melee players who would not be convinced, no matter what evidence was presented, that combat bind wounds was unclassic.

Trying to convince such people is a pointless endeavor: I'm only trying to convince the convincible people. If I'm lucky, maybe a few who can research classic better than I can and provide more proof ... like the proof that started this whole thread ...

Originally Posted by JDAm0nk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TL;DR - "Making channeling classic would represent a fundamental change to P99 gameplay mechanics which will reintroduce difficulty at all levels of the game and likely put an end to a lot of existing "cheesy" strategies. It may also even allow reverting AE group nerf changes as AE killing mobs would be significantly more challenging. This change will reintroduce a lot of the difficulty involved in soloing in particular especially indoors or without SoW/Jboots and in theory should encourage more grouping and social behaviour which I feel is lacking on P99 due to the ease of soloing and primarily related to channeling ability. It may also add to the difficulty of high level play including raiding and especially in situations where players are currently relying on being able to cast while being attacked by multiple high level mobs."

Hilariously this would also have a massive impact on Shaman soloing. Especially for non-Ogres [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As a Barbarian Shaman, I say bring it! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[DMN]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't, but I'm not just trying to convince him.

My point was, there's a bunch of Enchanter players who will not be convinced, no matter what I say, just as there was a lot of melee players who would not be convinced, no matter what evidence was presented, that combat bind wounds was unclassic.

Convinced of what, exactly? I don't know a single person/enchanter/poster who claims that the rate at which enchanters charm, both solo/grouping, as anywhere near the same rates it was during the classic time period. The fact is there were still in fact plenty of enchanters doing it, which you have already begrudgingly admitted, making this entirely unlike this red herring thats is bind wound that never happened in classic at all. Apples versus bowling balls.

the typical population of enchanters for most of classic was around 5-7% percent of the server, in vanillla on some servers it was as low as 2-3%. The population on p99 is, what? 30%? which is to say relative to classic you will be seeing enchanters doing anhything and everything from 500% more often to 1000% greater frequency.Mystery explained.

But the real question in all of this as I've asked you many times before and you conveniently ignore it, if you are so concerned about non classic RATES of behaviors, why do you have no issue with torpor soloing shaman or bard swarm kiting. anywhere around 10-15% of enchanters in classic were playing just as they do on p99 by mid kunark, while the percent of bards that where swaming dozens of mobs or shman torpor soloing high end obs : 0.0000000000000000001%. Why the bias, bro?