Someone Translate this wall of text from Omni

[Phenyo]

who are omni

[destrozi]

BiS loot in ToV being limited to the few "uber" guilds is completely classic. The current rules replicate the nature of classic everquest -- people who are willing to put in the time and effort PLUS join a raid guild get access to the best loot in the game.

If you want to experience the endgame, you should join a guild that has the infrastructure to contest the endgame. This was no different back in 1999.

I would also argue that acquiring raid loot these days is much easier than it was back 20 years ago. AG has a very lenient raid attendance policy for bidding DKP, plus I think AM has a 10% raid attendance policy for bidding? These thresholds are within reach of even a casual player. More players have access to more loot in the current iteration of P99.

However, the thesis of this thread seems to be "More _guilds_ should have access to more loot." This is so completely non classic, uber guilds have always dominated the raid scene.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by destrozi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

BiS loot in ToV being limited to the few "uber" guilds is completely classic. The current rules replicate the nature of classic everquest -- people who are willing to put in the time and effort PLUS join a raid guild get access to the best loot in the game.

If you want to experience the endgame, you should join a guild that has the infrastructure to contest the endgame. This was no different back in 1999.

I would also argue that acquiring raid loot these days is much easier than it was back 20 years ago. AG has a very lenient raid attendance policy for bidding DKP, plus I think AM has a 10% raid attendance policy for bidding? These thresholds are within reach of even a casual player. More players have access to more loot in the current iteration of P99.

However, the thesis of this thread seems to be "More _guilds_ should have access to more loot." This is so completely non classic, uber guilds have always dominated the raid scene.

Part of "classic" is that uber guilds eventually moved on from what we consider to be classic content, freeing it up for other guilds, which is not the case here and therefore ironically not classic. They did not compete for classic content in perpetuity.

[destrozi]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Part of "classic" is that uber guilds eventually moved on from what we consider to be classic content, freeing it up for other guilds, which is not the case here and therefore ironically not classic. They did not compete for classic content in perpetuity.

True, but irrelevant.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by destrozi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

True, but irrelevant.

How so? Our server has been in Velious for three-plus years now. On live in that timeframe they released Luclin, LoY, PoP, LDoN, and GoD. Do you really think second or third tier guilds, let alone top-end ones, gave a crap about Velious even as early as PoP (let alone in GoD)?

I played on live for years, but I'd quit and gone to WoW before Bristlebane had even gotten to the Velious-adjusted age of Blue; if you count from the beginning and include the seven years of Kunark, plus the Vanilla time before that, we'd be past the Veil of Alaris expansion! Who here even knows what that is?

But yeah, let's completely ignore all that and talk about how "classic" the current raid scene is [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[destrozi]

How is the existence of later expansions / games at all relevant on a Velious time locked server?

We are in a Groundhog Day type of scenario where we retain knowledge but relive the same experiences. Later games are irrelevant, later expansions are irrelevant. People come here to experience that time locked nostalgia. That is the whole point of the server.

Loot is distributed on this server to the people that put in the most effort to acquire that loot -- EXACTLY like the snapshot of live this server replicates from 2001.

[Fammaden]

Originally Posted by destrozi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How is the existence of later expansions / games at all relevant on a Velious time locked server?

We are in a Groundhog Day type of scenario where we retain knowledge but relive the same experiences. Later games are irrelevant, later expansions are irrelevant. People come here to experience that time locked nostalgia. That is the whole point of the server.

Loot is distributed on this server to the people that put in the most effort to acquire that loot -- EXACTLY like the snapshot of live this server replicates from 2001.

300 people waiting at the Fear portal or the WL zone line in Kael or the zone in of ToV for a boss to pop/get pulled isn't really an accurate snapshot at all. At any given time there were one or two guilds on many servers that could even imagine trying that stuff, and the rest got their hands on it after the bigger guilds had moved on to the new expansion.

For severs with huge populations, there tended to be player agreement rotations so each uber guild got something instead of fighting and wiping and possibly getting nothing. So none of this is EXACTLY a snapshot of anything that happened in these zones on live during Velious.

Then again back then there was 24/7 volunteer guide service plus a paid GM for each server who would come make raid leaders roll for dragon kill rights or just despawn the damn thing if people were going full on neckbeard. Which brings us back again to the actual point of the Omni post, if we don't have sufficient staff here to enforce raid rules, shouldn't the rules be modified or in the extreme scenario just done away with?

[destrozi]

Originally Posted by Fammaden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

300 people waiting at the Fear portal or the WL zone line in Kael or the zone in of ToV for a boss to pop/get pulled isn't really an accurate snapshot at all. At any given time there were one or two guilds on many servers that could even imagine trying that stuff, and the rest got their hands on it after the bigger guilds had moved on to the new expansion.

For severs with huge populations, there tended to be player agreement rotations so each uber guild got something instead of fighting and wiping and possibly getting nothing. So none of this is EXACTLY a snapshot of anything that happened in these zones on live during Velious.

Then again back then there was 24/7 volunteer guide service plus a paid GM for each server who would come make raid leaders roll for dragon kill rights or just despawn the damn thing if people were going full on neckbeard. Which brings us back again to the actual point of the Omni post, if we don't have sufficient staff here to enforce raid rules, shouldn't the rules be modified or in the extreme scenario just done away with?

Omni is not an uber guild though. They are trying to argue the rules from the sideline. The current raid competition between AM / Core / AG is quite cordial these days.

[Baylan295]

Originally Posted by destrozi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Omni is not an uber guild though. They are trying to argue the rules from the sideline. The current raid competition between AM / Core / AG is quite cordial these days.

Someone isn’t in leadership. Lol

[enjchanter]

I think the bigger issue is that vulak robes only drop for guilds I'm not in