Merriam-Webster Word of the Year 2017 - Page 20

fash · #1 12-23-2017, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok, so if that wasn't a post about white racial superiority, why don't you explain exactly what non-white-supremacist idea(s) you were trying to communicate when you brought up race in this post:

For instance, if all races are equal, what was the significance of that third highlight? Do you simply like people being free, and the word "white" just happened to be in-between?

Your antecedent is incorrect. Races aren't equal. People aren't equal. You aren't equal to the bum on the street. Heck, you aren't equal to yourself from a year ago. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyhow, to spell it out, immigration from Mexico was already brought up before my post. Around half of illegal US immigration is from Mexico, hence why it's an important US immigration issue and why it was already in the conversation.

That post points to a prior US immigration policy that successfully limited immigration, illegal or otherwise, more effectively than today's due to those highlighted parts you ask about. Surely, you would agree that the 1790 Naturalization Act was more effective at restricting mestizos immigrating from Mexico. It doesn't suggest Mexicans are "superior" at crime, it doesn't suggest blacks are "superior" at basketball, nor does it suggest whites are "supreme". Nowhere does that post advocate colonizing, enslaving, or otherwise dominating Mexicans or any other group, directly or indirectly.

Nobody else has brought up supremacism in this discussion. You have repeatedly brought it up (here and other threads) because it's a demon floating around in your mind, and it's as misguided as the claim that origin nation is irrelevant in a discussion on who you allow to immigrate into your nation.

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Also (and this is just for bonus points) I'd still love to understand your angle. Have you gotten banned for posting racist stuff before, so now you toe the "I'm not posting racist stuff" line because you are a racist but don't want to be banned?

You're getting rather personal there, loramin.

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Also (and this is just for bonus points) I'd still love to understand your angle.

My angle is I'm not racist (at least not in how "racist" is commonly defined by your average working class person. Not emerging definitions from critical theory in academia.). In fact, I'd wager I respect the differences between peoples more than most.

Also, I've never been banned either! I have the cleanest whistle.

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Have you gotten banned for posting racist stuff before, so now you toe the "I'm not posting racist stuff" line because you are a racist but don't want to be banned?

How dare you accuse me of racism, sir! I have token black friends! At work, I get along well with my one black intern and the one mexican guy as well as the hordes (~50%) of asians and indians. I was pals with members of various races at my culturally enriched schools. I have nothing against people on an individual relationship level based on race.

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Are you just looking for attention and you know bringing up race (and picking the handle "Fash") will do that?

Nope, just drawing attention to contradictions or absurdities some people believe to be true e.g. all races/genders/people are equal, "diversity is our strength", multiculturalism is a net positive for societies, Islam is a religion of peace, feminist activists are genuinely fighting against abuse against all women (see my Rotherham post earlier), etc.

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It's undeniable that you make racialy-tinted posts and like nazi-themed avatars than most people, but you go to lengths to argue that you're not racist. I would love to know why.

wrt to arguing I'm not a racist, that's because recently you and lancelot have been frequently making those accusations without any legitimate evidence in an attempt to ignore and distract others from my posts' content. It's also fun to role-play as the villain in your narrative. To my recollection, nobody else has made similar slanderous accusations (besides some fun Poke-quips).

Mostly, I like to get people questioning the truthiness of their bad assumptions by pointing to group disparities, cultural differences, historical inaccuracies, hypersensitivity to race, and so forth. Sometimes that causes a little hysteria in those who don't venture outside of their bubble. Conveying all that as a super-villain boogeyman avatar has been fun too thanks to the occasional rustled jimmy. "OMG! The nazis are everywhere!!"

Patriam1066 · #2 12-23-2017, 02:41 PM

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Same basically I'm mostly into Jews whites and Asians these days. Had some blacks and musalman friends back in h town tho

That's an interesting group. My neighbor is a white MD married to an aZn nurse, so I guess I have an Asian friend. I know tons of Muslims though. I give them shit but they're mostly good people, plus I still know many Persians and always will

Lhancelot · #3 12-23-2017, 12:37 PM

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I have no black friends

Ohh ohh! I have many black friends!

Glad we talking about friends and their races, so I can share with everyone what color my friends are. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Patriam1066 · #4 12-23-2017, 02:37 PM

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Ohh ohh! I have many black friends!

Glad we talking about friends and their races, so I can share with everyone what color my friends are. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm just trying to be tongue in cheek with loramin who is very butt hurt about being an SJW

try not to be so serious pussy. It's 40 degrees and I'm grilling out down here in Texas

skarlorn · #5 12-23-2017, 03:11 PM

lhancelot i hate your posts recently

loramin · #6 12-23-2017, 04:02 PM

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Your antecedent is incorrect. Races aren't equal. People aren't equal. You aren't equal to the bum on the street. Heck, you aren't equal to yourself from a year ago. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyhow, to spell it out, immigration from Mexico was already brought up before my post. Around half of illegal US immigration is from Mexico, hence why it's an important US immigration issue and why it was already in the conversation.

That post points to a prior US immigration policy that successfully limited immigration, illegal or otherwise, more effectively than today's due to those highlighted parts you ask about. Surely, you would agree that the 1790 Naturalization Act was more effective at restricting mestizos immigrating from Mexico. It doesn't suggest Mexicans are "superior" at crime, it doesn't suggest blacks are "superior" at basketball, nor does it suggest whites are "supreme". Nowhere does that post advocate colonizing, enslaving, or otherwise dominating Mexicans or any other group, directly or indirectly.

Nobody else has brought up supremacism in this discussion. You have repeatedly brought it up (here and other threads) because it's a demon floating around in your mind, and it's as misguided as the claim that origin nation is irrelevant in a discussion on who you allow to immigrate into your nation.

Ok, ignoring the absurdity that immigration policies in a completely different time can be directly applied now (despite immigration issues and the very make-up of the immigrant population being dramatically different), you highlighted "free white men", and included the image in the first place. Why? What were you trying to communicate about free white men as opposed to other immigrants?

If we're talking about immigrants and I quote something about how some are overweight, or have a bigger shoe size, or whatever, I'm not just doing that without a reason. By raising the topic of obesity/shoe size/whatever when it wasn't part of the conversation before, I'm suggesting that obese/big-footed/whatever immigrants are somehow different from other immigrants (and that the difference is somehow relevant to the conversation).

You play a game. For any given post where no one is talking about race you drop thinly-veiled racist remarks while scrupulously avoiding saying anything directly racist. This lets you explain why any given quote out of context isn't racist.

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making those accusations without any legitimate evidence

But what you don't seem to be able to explain is why you frequently make such "borderline"-racist posts in threads where no one had been talking about race, why you've had three different avatars and they were all nazi-themed, why you picked the username "fash", why you included an image with "free white men" highlighted without explanation, etc. You don't stand behind and defend your own words (or name or avatar), because if you did you'd have to admit that what you were trying to communicate was in fact racist.

And if it's "personal" for me to call you out and ask you stand behind the words (and images) you've posted, then I'll freely admit I'm being personal, but honestly I'd do the same to anyone else being as disingenuous. All I'm asking is for you say "I'm Fash, I picked a name that means fascist, I picked three Nazi-themed avatars, and I add racial stuff to threads where no one is talking about race. I also claim not to do it out of racism, and the real non-racist explanation for all those things is _______".

Krycek · #7 12-26-2017, 02:01 AM

I've had a total of 4 job's in my life. At all 4 job's there have been women holding the same position as I did, made as much or more money than I did, and were physically unable to perform all the task's required for our jobs. Equality ya'll.

Lhancelot · #8 12-26-2017, 09:38 AM

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I've had a total of 4 job's in my life. At all 4 job's there have been women holding the same position as I did, made as much or more money than I did, and were physically unable to perform all the task's required for our jobs. Equality ya'll.

Maybe they should allow those women more opportunities to hold management/leadership positions since they are unable to do the physicality of the job you work.

Jimjam's article informs us of this:

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paygap:

https://www.economist.com/blogs/grap...workdailychart

"...the bulk of that gap results from differences in rank within companies, firms’ overall compensation rates and the nature of the tasks a job requires."

So basically it's not so much the position that pays more for men, it's the fact women tend to not get the higher paying jobs/positions within companies.

Sounds pretty unfair to me.

I too worked with women at very physically demanding jobs, and for whatever reasons they always promoted men at that workplace. Sure, some jobs in this workplace were harder for the women, it was a warehouse. But the fact is women worked equally hard at what they could do as the men. There are always lazy workers, but that goes across the board of men and women.

I don't fault women for not having the raw strength a man does, and I never expected them to be able to lift and pack or do what I could do when I worked in that warehouse. Men typically did the heavy lifting, rarely did women use the lifts where larger items were picked. This doesn't mean in my mind they should get paid less, or not have higher positions granted to them in the workplace but that seemed to be the case as we had zero women supervisors.

When I changed jobs I found an environment much more friendly to women and minorities but that was working for the government where women and minorities both seemed to find supervisory positions nearly as easily as men. We still had some racism in our workplace, but that didn't surprise me as 90% of the workers were white and the majority were men. This workplace had laws in place that protected women and minorities so the racism and sexism was hidden but it was there.

Regarding women, There are workplaces that are more equal for them, but I am pretty sure if you go across the board of all the different types of jobs, women will have a steeper hill to climb than men. Whether men want to admit it or not, sexism does exist, just as racism. Sadly it seems people are subject to these traits whether it's out of ignorance or it's just plain human nature I don't know.

AzzarTheGod · #9 12-27-2017, 05:40 AM

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I've had a total of 4 job's in my life.

What a sucker! *hurls large boulder at Krycek*

Jimjam · #10 12-26-2017, 02:09 AM

paygap:

https://www.economist.com/blogs/grap...workdailychart