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[Messianic]

I would like to the most relevant and insightful tag on this post:

"My poop > your philosophy"

Sorry, carry on philosophizing. I just felt this was worth pointing out.

[Icaro]

Some quite famous guy said: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them"

Shouldn't be enough?

[Acillatem]

Acillatem - I'm not going to deeply respond to you since, opposed to Yendor who has addressed arguments head-on, you've chosen to create a different scenario with which we have 0 facts. You're scenario involves an assumption that Rilen was depriving this camp from individuals, we have no way of knowing who or how many people came to SRo during the day and were dissuaded upon finding the camp taken. Since we don't have enough evidence your argument is moot before the discussion even begins. At the risk of being flamed, I also find your attitude as it pertains to others a bit frightening. You've drawn the line between selfishness and selflessness entirely too close to selfishness, and made personal rules for yourself regarding when you will exhibit selflessness (Friends, guildmates). If you alienated all strangers, you're alienating potential friends/guildmates. You have the right to play however you want, I find your attitude detrimental to the server as a whole and if it is reflective of your behavior in real life than I am glad I don't know you.

You don't know me - so that's fair that you have your opinion based on what you see here. However the scenario I presented is the exact same scenario as seen from another perspective. Anyone who has camped the AC for any length of time will support the fact that numerous people do a "drive by" or ask to be put on a list etc. It's no secret - especially if the guy was there 18 hours - there was probably at LEAST 10 people who were dissuaded from camping the AC.

As far as my attitude as it pertains to others? You are taking that statement I made as an end all be all attitude towards EVERY situation I come across and that's not the case. In the context of this argument and this situation, that statement about my time > your time holds true. In fact - there are many other situations I would feel the same way about. And honestly over the past few months this "attitude" has probably come forward more often than before simply becuz my playtime went from 7 days a week to once, MAYBE twice a week if I'm lucky. If I want to accomplish anything in game - I need to maximize my time in game. (I love getting a new job where u work 12-15 hours a day, 5 days a week lol).

However, I played on Tallon Zek as an officer of the most honorable guild on the server (Knights of the White Rose) and here as an officer of one of the most honorable guilds on the server. That doesn't happen by chance.

When I powerlevel guildies, I fill up a group - usually consisting of 1 or 2 guildmates and 3-4 strangers. I hand out free gear and port people for free all the time.

When I used to PvP, I would kill someone and sometimes port them back to shorten their corpse run. When I used to octi-kite raptors in TD I would kill the person on it, take the island, and then let them know if they wanted the other island - they could hunt there and I wouldn't bother them - our fight was done. For a PvP server - that shit was RARE. Most people would enforce "Loot & Scoot" (if you were killed you were expected to leave the zone for an hour) - but really I didn't care so long as they didn't bother me anymore.

I had ported into SRo a few months ago and did a camp check for the AC and 2 minutes later some NEC sent me a tell saying he had died and asked me to hold it for him till he got back - which I did. (heh hows that for irony?). I already had my JBoots and was just gunna kill some time hoping for a MQ.

I spent a good 6 hours on a Wizard 101 post for the P1999 community. The info was stuff I already knew - but I want to see the Wizard community thrive so selfish me decided to dig up an old guide and spend time editing it for P99 the best I could.

I could go on and on and on with a myriad list of "selfless" acts I've done for strangers (and on TZ for the enemy) in the name of "being a good person".

In this particular situation - if it was me - honestly I woulda let them have it back becuz I already have my Jboots. If I DIDN'T have my Jboots tho - I woulda kept the camp - which is exactly what happened here. I don't think that makes someone selfish and immoral.

This is a game based on 2 aspects - social and pixel. I didn't like WoW becuz there was no social aspect to it. You solo yer ass up to 80 and then raid....I enjoy grouping - I like making friends and meeting new people.

But sometimes, you gotta give the pixels some loving too. And if that choice happens to upset someone else? Well it's bound to happen. And yer right - sometimes that line gets drawn a little too close one way or the other. But yer never going to please 100% of the people 100% of the time.

[Odeseus]

Hrm, there is another factor here that I had not thought about before. Does amount of playtime affect how "nice" you are in game or not?

On the surface, Ace's logic appears to be sound. When you have more playtime, you are not forced to "get yours NOW" because you will always have more time later. And if you don't have much play time, you need to "get yours" sort to speak because you may not have time to do so later.

However, I think this breaks down a bit in actuality since some of the nicest people I know play very little. And some of the worst people play all the time. But I wonder if they are anomalies and the correlation between "niceness" and playtime holds up, or if the logic simply breaks down when put into actual practice.