What game change would you suggest?

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by skarlorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I feel like Sorn might have just dropped a text-wall and now is refusing to discuss it. That's like walking in to a room of people, telling them that three quarters of them deserve to be put in prison for life, shitting in the middle of the room, and then walking out.

Kind of cool, I guess. But also very rude!

Hopefully he is just busy in RL and will get back to us soon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I assumed when he said, "thanks for reading" he was ending any further discussion on it.

I think Sorn is in a bad mood today, and felt the urge to vent on the forums tbh. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[maskedmelonpai]

Originally Posted by Sorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It crosses a line when you have a whole subculture for trolling. The harmless trolling you mention is more like teasing.

i glad this not just a opinion or something ^^

If I tell someone I'm going to sacrifice them in the name of Cazic Thule while on my iksar, that's not going to be considered trolling by anyone.

no, but tbh, i not gonna hold it against you neither, because you bound by you disgusting lizard nature which aspire to those sorta foul activities. it not you fault you seek to sate the bloodlust of you primitive god :3

On p99 we've got people who will call each other useless cucks, promote white supremacy in subtle and various forms,

woah there, don't think I've seen any subtle promotions of white supremacy here.

write long misogynist posts,

outside of satire, not sure i seen this neither :c maybe in red subforum?

call each other disabled,

you mean autistic, or retarded or downs? the last one I find a little mean because it demean people with down syndrome and they obviously have problems the rest of us don't, but calling people retarded is fine and autistic is more funny because it speaks to one's nature. personally i would find it mildly offensive if you considered all autistic peoples 'disabled'.

gossip,

pretty misogynistic objection :3

revel in shitposting,

...crude and wanton were they in their ways, finding great delight they own debasement.

and at this point they rate the trolliness of everyone else's posts. It's a game to see how far they can push it before they get banned (temporarily, for some reason). Forumquesters who roleplay on the forum as various awful types of people or trolls, who roll 'alts' and pretend to be other people? That is insanity.

i don't think you understand the number or nature of the players. to be fair though, you probably not want to neither, but that okay too. it you choice ^^

I'm sure someone out there is thinking 'oh, lighten up, Sorn, it's a game we play and it's fun, you just have no sense of humor'. Sure, if I lose my sense of right and wrong, I too can hang out in RnF all day bemoaning the lack of good threads or making shitposts while thinking anyone who hates forumquest is just too sensitive.

nobody say you too sensitive, sorn. it okay to be upset by things. in my opinion it better to be sad than angry though because anger is more destructive. it not worth getting upset or worrying about things you can't change and the more you able to adapt to various situations the less chance you gonna have of being unhappy.

it liek with food, you you can hate vegetables and seafood and ketchup and whatever else you want, but all that do is give you more opportunity to be unhappy :c because of you chose to liek them things instead, you not never gonna hafta be frustrated when someone mess up and you end up with a onion in you sandwich or whatever ^^

As it is, I absolutely do not take any post on here or anything I see in-game personally and I do recognize the in-joke aspect of it, but I still don't think it has a place here.

because you don't like it?

You're saying 'the definition of trolling is subjective as long as no one's using vulgar words or personal attacks'. It's like the one guy at a party telling everyone to lighten up when they don't find the joke about black people funny and no one gets his sense of humor and what's the problem since he didn't use the 'n' word, except 30% of the party is comprised of people just like that one guy and the host is ignoring what's going on. They might be great guys elsewhere, but left unchecked they consider it acceptable to ruin a party by being unpleasant and telling shitty jokes.

90% of p99 players do not come to the forums because these people turn it into a toxic cesspool for their own pleasure. If you can't see it, then you're in too deep. Moderation on these forums is negligible if all they look out for is technicalities like bad words. Should the bare minimum for enforcement of common decency be to make sure no one makes public death threats or uses bad words?

lotta statistics in there, but to the point you trying to demonstrate, you are perfectly normal, you not a odd duck, you needn't feel threatened by a obvious minority. personally I think it a beautiful part of the Internet! it allow the weirdos to find others liek them and reception for they creative expression. it give everyone a opportunity to learn :3

I think it's bullshit that you're arguing that it's subjective.

that a retarded thought ^^

It's only subjective because the trolls have chased off most of the sane people who don't find forumquesting amusing, leaving only themselves in a little echo chamber so they can pretend they're the majority and can define sanity.

you not a minority, you are sane and normal. you don't need to worry about that. don't think any of the deviant personalities here consider theyselfs or at least what they doing, normal. don't think there are many genuinely insidious personalities either ^^

This is the culture that helped enable GG to cause all the chaos he did in the beginning when he should have been seeking help or finding better things to do with his life. This is the culture that promotes casual sociopathy and tries to excuse it by telling the rest to lighten up. Five minutes browsing RnF or Off Topic is all a regular player would need to understand this.

actually GG was wildly popular with the community at large because his work was normal, it undoubtedly the reason why you joined his DoF: because you understood it and wanted to entertain people too.

The troll subculture is endemic to gaming and the internet, but it needn't be so prominent in p99. Our shit standards for moderating the forums, the obsessive persistence of our trolls, and the management of the CSR side enabling this sort of nonsense leads to this forum being a haven for such things. We represent the p99 community as a forum. Sadly, as a whole we do a truly awful job. If you are so bored that you don't play anymore and just shitpost on the forums, consider leaving. Annoyed that random people reading the shitposts don't get your humor or take offense to your bullshit? Keep it to elfpals where they truly understand you.

i didn't understand a lotta things at first, but I liek to learn and am more pliable than most people, so I engaged. I've learned lots. you only not gonna learn if you choose not to ^^

That's all I've got to say on the topic. Thanks for reading.

^^

Originally Posted by skarlorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I feel like Sorn might have just dropped a text-wall and now is refusing to discuss it. That's like walking in to a room of people, telling them that three quarters of them deserve to be put in prison for life, shitting in the middle of the room, and then walking out.

Kind of cool, I guess. But also very rude!

Hopefully he is just busy in RL and will get back to us soon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it okay, i stepped it in too :c

[skarlorn]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and it does; I don't know how many times I've heard people in-game bash this forum

likewise, almost every time I log onto Filbus and go somewhere I get at least 1 tell from someone telling me how much they like to read my forum posting. Or they start RPing with me, depending on the person.

My point is that there are two sides to the argument of the silent masses, those who do not like forums and those who love it but still don't post.

Mods made forum with RNF because the Mods want RNF. If you'll notice, Server Chat has the highest view count, followed by RNF... so I'd say you already have your wish of "EQ first and Flames second"

If you find the existence of RNF to be so distasteful, I would point out (again) that it's here because the mods want it. You may not like it, but then it would be important to get over it, just like someone who wishes luclin models were still available.

Also, this is suggestion is not relevant to the thread at hand, as it's a thread about "game changes."

[loramin]

Originally Posted by skarlorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

likewise, almost every time I log onto Filbus and go somewhere I get at least 1 tell from someone telling me how much they like to read my forum posting. Or they start RPing with me, depending on the person.

I actually get compliments on my posts too in-game, and you know what the last two were? Something to the effect of "you're not a shit poster like most of the people on the forum" (and that was literally the entire compliment from one person).

Originally Posted by skarlorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mods made forum with RNF because the Mods want RNF.

Absolutely, and it's their forum and they can/will/should do what they want with it. But I'm entitled to disagree, and even if they once thought that RnF was a good idea, they could always change their minds based on the effect it's had on the larger forum ... or at least start moderating more heavily outside of it to create a more friendly non-RnF environment.

[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I actually get compliments on my posts too in-game, and you know what the last two were? Something to the effect of "you're not a shit poster like most of the people on the forum" (and that was literally the entire compliment from one person).



Absolutely, and it's their forum and they can/will/should do what they want with it. But I'm entitled to disagree, and even if they once that RnF was a good idea, they could always change their minds based on the effect it's had on the larger forum.

I think by feeling things you personally don't like to read shouldn't be here is not fair.

As long as people are not being insultive or derogatory to one another, it's better to let the flow of conversation be.

You can't stifle what people write about on an open forum without destroying the creativity that is born from it.

Negativity and mean-spirited posts are inappropriate particularly in certain parts of these forums, but it's inevitable sometimes such things are written.

I think the mods do a fine job here, they let some stuff go, but then they also drop the hammer when someone loses control.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think by feeling things you personally don't like to read shouldn't be here is not fair.

You personally don't like tranny porn, but some people do: is it unfair to keep it out of an old elf-sim forum?

Everyone has a line, and this forum has a line. I would argue that as a result of the RnF forum (which, again, does not keep all RnF behavior in that forum) that line has moved too far in the wrong direction here, and the numerous P99-ers who avoid this forum as a result speaks to that.

But again, I'm not assigning any sort of value judgement to people who enjoy RnF (it'd be hypocritical since I do too). I just think this forum shouldn't scare people who came here for (what should be its primary purpose): talking about EQ.

[skarlorn]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I actually get compliments on my posts too in-game, and you know what the last two were? Something to the effect of "you're not a shit poster like most of the people on the forum" (and that was literally the entire compliment from one person).

See? my point is proven. There are two sides of the audience, so the argument that "because some people in game don't like it one way" and "because some people in the game like it one way" doesn't work, Loramin! You hear that it's bad, and I hear that it's good.

If people want to make the forums less shit-posty, they can get online and start posting in cool and normal ways. Lord knows we need more people here anyway!

PS - it's not about who gets compliments or ego, I was simply enumerating my own anecdotal evidence w/ only means available.

PPS - Your'e right, you have every right to disagree about the forum culture. THIS IS A FORUM FOR DIALOGUE AS PER SE

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[Lhancelot]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You personally don't like tranny porn, but some people do: is it unfair to keep it out of an old elf-sim forum?

You can't compare porn to writing directly to someone or about someone here on the forums who we communicate with regularly who we may even consider friends.

Which is what you said right?

You have a problem with people writing to others on the forums about one another, when they are not directly writing about game stuff which in your opinion is the only thing that should be written about here in the forums.

Think you going a bit far in trying to prove your point.

[loramin]

Let's say you have a brother with a mental handicap. You come here to talk about Ranger bow kiting and see people using the word "retard", which is as offensive to you as the word "******" is to some people. Do you:

A) post here more to make the forum a better place?

or:

B) run away and never come back?

[ErlickBachman]

I'd make Sleeper a quarterly or bi-yearly reset. Thus allowing players a shot at looting the Primal Velium Weapons.