the server, loot and the way things are

[Shiftin]

Originally Posted by Lagaidh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How long does it take the top guilds' repeated clearings of these high-end targets before the members have what they want?

I'm not trying to bait anyone. I came from a rotation server where the top guild contained unimaginable pricks, but even they agreed to the rotation scheme after a while.

I'm trying to understand a side of the coin I've never been on. By the time I was in a hardcore raid guild in live, we were a good expansion behind in end game, so we didn't bump into this much.

The state of the server now is such that people can fly to 50, get all / most of their planes/god loot and be bored in 4-6 months. People get to 50, get all of their stuff and get bored because kunark isn't around yet, so they either directly or indirectly quit out of boredom.

The raiding guilds then have to replace them with new folks to stay at a functional number for raiding current content with very sparse drops (see a below), content we are waiting to be fixed (b), and to be ready for the mystery day kunark goes live.

(a) Dragon haste items / crystaline spear are really amazing items from dragons that tons of melee in IB/DA/Div need. Vox Cloak is uber as hell. Robe / clicky from CT have been rare as well and are amazing. If these mobs dropped 6 items per kill, it's conceivable we wouldn't be fighting so hard over them, but some of these items remain best in slot until you start getting epics / killing trakanon, etc. As it is, these mobs drop 2-3 items per kill from a loot table of 8-12 items, some of which are barely worth having. Since they spawn once a week instead of the possibly multiple times/week on live, there are tons of folks who have been around a while still in need of this gear.


(b) We'd love to spend more days in sky, but there are mechanics up there right now that are notably broken that keep folks from advancing. It's not awesome to have a dozen people summonned under the world and drop out of the zone as soon as you engage anything on bee island, destroying the keys that they have been meticulously refreshing for months.


Long story short, there are a lot more 50s with much higher turnover to equip on this server than there were in live at this stage of the game, and loot enters the world slower for a number of reasons.

[Lagaidh]

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The state of the server now is such that people can fly to 50, get all / most of their planes/god loot and be bored in 4-6 months. People get to 50, get all of their stuff and get bored because kunark isn't around yet, so they either directly or indirectly quit out of boredom.

The raiding guilds then have to replace them with new folks to stay at a functional number for raiding current content with very sparse drops (see a below), content we are waiting to be fixed (b), and to be ready for the mystery day kunark goes live.

(a) Dragon haste items / crystaline spear are really amazing items from dragons that tons of melee in IB/DA/Div need. Vox Cloak is uber as hell. Robe / clicky from CT have been rare as well and are amazing. If these mobs dropped 6 items per kill, it's conceivable we wouldn't be fighting so hard over them, but some of these items remain best in slot until you start getting epics / killing trakanon, etc. As it is, these mobs drop 2-3 items per kill from a loot table of 8-12 items, some of which are barely worth having. Since they spawn once a week instead of the possibly multiple times/week on live, there are tons of folks who have been around a while still in need of this gear.


(b) We'd love to spend more days in sky, but there are mechanics up there right now that are notably broken that keep folks from advancing. It's not awesome to have a dozen people summonned under the world and drop out of the zone as soon as you engage anything on bee island, destroying the keys that they have been meticulously refreshing for months.


Long story short, there are a lot more 50s with much higher turnover to equip on this server than there were in live at this stage of the game, and loot enters the world slower for a number of reasons.

Thanks. I can see that.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Lagaidh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay- I've read the first two pages of this tripe and it's the same story it has always been.

I understand the perspective of might makes right, but when the oldest guilds with good players will always have the advantage, does the thought ever occur to share game content?

Purely from a humanistic perspective: is it okay to always cockblock part of the game from the rest of the community because you can?

I'm seriously asking. I'm also looking for a different explanation than A) We can so we do B) Beat us if you want it.

How long does it take the top guilds' repeated clearings of these high-end targets before the members have what they want?

I'm not trying to bait anyone. I came from a rotation server where the top guild contained unimaginable pricks, but even they agreed to the rotation scheme after a while.

I'm trying to understand a side of the coin I've never been on. By the time I was in a hardcore raid guild in live, we were a good expansion behind in end game, so we didn't bump into this much.

How do you distribute limited amounts of resources among many groups/individuals vying for them?

Whoever is willing to do the most work to earn the resource should acquire it. That's what is at play here.

If people agree on a rotation - that's fine. But if they don't, it must be merit (and merit can mean merely how much someone is willing to poopsock for it) to be fair. People shouldn't be forced into a system of rotation (which amounts to a yielding of their freedom of action) if they would prefer to compete.

Alternatively, being in a system of merit is merely nature, or "how things are," so people aren't forced into that system by allowing that system to exist - it's just the way things inevitably are.

As resources become less limited (i.e. Kunark), the problem will dissipate rapidly.

[Lagaidh]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do you distribute limited amounts of resources among many groups/individuals vying for them?

Whoever is willing to do the most work to earn the resource should acquire it. That's what is at play here.

If people agree on a rotation - that's fine. But if they don't, it must be merit (and merit can mean merely how much someone is willing to poopsock for it) to be fair. People shouldn't be forced into a system of rotation (which amounts to a yielding of their freedom of action) if they would prefer to compete.

Alternatively, being in a system of merit is merely nature, or "how things are," so people aren't forced into that system by allowing that system to exist - it's just the way things inevitably are.

As resources become less limited (i.e. Kunark), the problem will dissipate rapidly.

How is that not "We can so we do"?

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Lagaidh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How is that not "We can so we do"?

You seem to think that's not a valid reason and never explained why

[Lagaidh]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You seem to think that's not a valid reason and never explained why

I said I can understand the perspective of might makes right, but do the folks in power (with the advantages of being on the server earlier) ever even think about sharing that part of the game?

Personally, I don't think it's valid. My core inner self would like to be an idealist, no matter how foolish the fancy. In my perfect world:

Folks wouldn't be so greedy or take things so incredibly seriously that it is their stated mission to keep other players down simply for the sake of remaining the "best" as stated in this thread.

I just think that's incredibly sad.

The realist in me knows this won't change, and knowing that, I can gain solace from the fact that I don't have to enter that arena if I don't want to.

I guess I'm just shocked that people are so invested in their own pursuits in a fantasy world that they will knowingly and willfully block out folks from experiencing the same content at some point... just to say they're number one.

[korrowan]

I wanna see a rotation put in just so I can read all the drama it will create.

[Lagaidh]

Man. This thread is just awful. I like it better when I can just assume folks are selfish spoiled brats instead of watching dueling hissy fits.

I'm going to keep reading (p18). It's like staring at a car wreck. I... can't... fight my... genetic... *urg*... programming!

[Scrooge]

There is much more to EQ than the grind, the gearing, the farming and even the raiding. When you're ready to think outside the box, that's when the game starts to get really interesting.

The idea of gear making you a better player than another, is quite silly.

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by Scrooge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is much more to EQ than the grind, the gearing, the farming and even the raiding. When you're ready to think outside the box, that's when the game starts to get really interesting.

The idea of gear making you a better player than another, is quite silly.

My thoughts exactly.



Personally I prefer leveling new characters. It's a great way for me to learn about the classes that I had no experience with on live. Rogue and Wizard for example I always avoided because I felt that they were so limited in their utility, but I am really starting to enjoy the little tricks and quirks that I never experienced before.

I basically avoid buying and farming gear completely now which gives me more time to level up characters. This will give me more options for groups as well as soloing once Kunark is released. While the people that were so busy trying to get the very best gear now will just have to start the process all over again in a few months... That doesn't sound like much fun to me.

But hey, everyone has their own opinions. There's something in the game for everyone:
Some people enjoy taking on real challenging content while other people prefer racing others to raid targets.
Some people want lots of alts, some people want lots of platinum.
What ever floats your boat.