shit's goin down!

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It shouldn't be any wonder to the staff why most of the pro players quit playing blue. Raiding in VP is fucking retarded now and there's not nearly enough enforcement on the rules and the spirit of the rules. Blue is retard crybaby petitionquest central now.

Eliminate the stupid fucking rules and just let anything go in VP. Less headache, more fun.

I didn't always believe this myself. I do now. I see how things get manipulated in there when we "Try to do the right thing". It ends up hurting us a lot following the rules when the other guild decides to manipulate aggro to gain a petitionable offense

[Mastere843]

The only thing sad about this whole situation is all the hate going around. Class R people hating on Class C, IB hating on TMO, Red server hating Blue server, and vice versa. Instead of off calling each others fucked up names, lets just try and enjoy this game.

IB got pissed that trak "trained" them after TMO wiped. It wasn't intentional its just how the game mechanics work. A few days before IB pulled Gore to DL port in and wiped resulting in a lot of people porting in and dying. It happens get over it, no need to go on a petition/rant frenzy.

As for the people who rant about splitting server (class C/R), all that would result in is splitting the population. Which in the end will not be good for anyone. The only thing keeping a mmo server going is healthy pop. Just look at Red server, only reason people don't wanna play on it is because the pop in it sucks.

As for the people ranting about banning IB or TMO or both, all that would result in is a new guild(s) taking their place. The underlying game mechanics wouldn't change and we would have the same problems just with new names.

As for the people ranting about going full class R, all that would result in is a huge number of guilds. If it was full class R the big guilds will break up into smaller guilds to take up more slots in the rotation, obviously. No point in having huge guilds when shit can be killed by 25 when no one is rushing. Plus you will get alt guilds, since a lot of people have multiple lvl 60 on different accounts. There is no way of policing that. So in the end you would end up with 20+ guilds if not more, with each guild getting a kill once every few months.

So everyone just relax, stop arguing/petitioning/hating because if you were in their group you would be doing the same thing they are cause that is just how the overall game mechanics work. It has always been the same problem from live, to prog, to P99 not because of the people but because of the mechanics. Hopefully the more "controlled" raiding required in velious will help with some of this hating.

Stabzer - 60 Rogue

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't always believe this myself. I do now. I see how things get manipulated in there when we "Try to do the right thing". It ends up hurting us a lot following the rules when the other guild decides to manipulate aggro to gain a petitionable offense

That's some good hypocrisy right there. Little peek into how your brain works, "We lost and didn't break any rules, so they must be breaking rules all the time and getting away with it! Now anything that I do is justified!"

[Snizatcher]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It shouldn't be any wonder to the staff why most of the pro players quit playing blue.

professional
[pruh-fesh-uh-nl]

(of a person) engaged in a specified activity as one's main paid occupation rather than as a pastime.
"a professional boxer"
synonyms: paid, salaried

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Snizatcher [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

professional
[pruh-fesh-uh-nl]

(of a person) engaged in a specified activity as one's main paid occupation rather than as a pastime.
"a professional boxer"
synonyms: paid, salaried

Slang
noun
1.
very informal usage in vocabulary and idiom that is characteristically more metaphorical, playful, elliptical, vivid, and ephemeral than ordinary language, as Hit the road.
2.
(in English and some other languages) speech and writing characterized by the use of vulgar and socially taboo vocabulary and idiomatic expressions.
3.
the jargon of a particular class, profession, etc.
4.
the special vocabulary of thieves, vagabonds, etc.; argot.

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Eliminate the stupid fucking rules and just let anything go in VP. Less headache, more fun.

^removing the "no-rules" status from VP was something that nilbog wanted us to at least try. Was pushing for it for a while, and we finally decided to change it after the raid talks. It is entirely possible to get clean pulls in VP, but I'd still prefer no rules at all simply because it's less headaches for us.

Originally Posted by dozens of people

traktouch not training!

One of the first actual rule changes/clarifications I did/was involved with after becoming a Guide was to sit down with Sirken and decide Traktouch trains would be treated just like trains. We told all the senior officers for TMO, FE, and IB about this to ensure all major Trak competing guilds new what was expeccted.

One officer complained that they would no longer be able to tag trakanon quite as early/recklessly with those tiny pull/stall squads everyone used to love, because if they ended up with a bad set of luck and traktouch trained another raid, they'd get hammered. I remember it very clearly because our response amounted to "then dont pull until you're really fuckin sure your raid is ready to go and logged in behind you, because if you try a premature pull and your one aggro guy gets trak'd and trains GuildB, you'll get a guild suspension.

So yeah. This shouldn't have been a surprise. It was a pretty big deal at the time and should have been remembered.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One of the first actual rule changes/clarifications I did after becoming a Guide was to sit down with Sirken and decide Traktouch trains would be treated just like trains. We told all the senior officers for TMO, FE, and IB about this to ensure all major Trak competing guilds new what was expeccted.

One officer complained that they would no longer be able to tag trakanon quite as early/recklessly with those tiny pull/stall squads everyone used to love, because if they ended up with a bad set of luck and traktouch trained another raid, they'd get hammered. I remember it very clearly because our response amounted to "then dont pull until you're really fuckin sure your raid is ready to go and logged in behind you, because if you try a premature pull and your one aggro guy gets trak'd and trains GuildB, you'll get a guild suspension.

Why? Can you also link to this rule?

[quido]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^removing the "no-rules" status from VP was something that nilbog wanted us to at least try. Was pushing for it for a while, and we finally decided to change it after the raid talks. It is entirely possible to get clean pulls in VP, but I'd still prefer no rules at all simply because it's less headaches for us.

Undoubtedly, things are often fine in VP even with two cut-throat guilds in there, but the amount of foul play that exists each month is absolutely staggering. The opportunity for foul play is incredible in VP, and enforcing/collecting evidence of said foul play is difficult. It is easy to play foully without even being in the presence of anyone else in the game (flopping a dragon on the path of a pull for another dragon). The rules in VP have merely created a system in which the slickest players win. That's right, by being good at being an underhanded cheating fucking asshole, you get to win more. The more dishonest and evasive you are, the better your side does.

Until there is some foolproof system of enforcement (such as zone-wide cameras or mob aggro/position recording), it is 100% more trouble than it's worth having the rules we currently do in VP. I hope you will consider doing us ALL a favor and eliminate them.

[Fael]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One officer complained that they would no longer be able to tag trakanon quite as early/recklessly with those tiny pull/stall squads everyone used to love, because if they ended up with a bad set of luck and traktouch trained another raid, they'd get hammered. I remember it very clearly because our response amounted to "then dont pull until you're really fuckin sure your raid is ready to go and logged in behind you, because if you try a premature pull and your one aggro guy gets trak'd and trains GuildB, you'll get a guild suspension.

If that's the Bright line rule so be it. It Will create a very steep barrier of entry for new guilds to enter c. But it doesn't seem like any will step up anyways, so I guess it doesn't matter.

Dolic

[sanforce]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Eliminate the stupid fucking rules and just let anything go in VP. Less headache, more fun.

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

^removing the "no-rules" status from VP was something that nilbog wanted us to at least try. Was pushing for it for a while, and we finally decided to change it after the raid talks. It is entirely possible to get clean pulls in VP, but I'd still prefer no rules at all simply because it's less headaches for us.

I'd play again~!