The real story behind the Nihilum forced disbanding. - Page 20

quido · #1 10-05-2014, 05:16 PM

Tune joined a monastery and has forsaken Everquest in his sacred vows.

Xaanka · #2 10-05-2014, 05:43 PM

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A lot of people have asked, so I will lay out there exactly what happened. I know the most about this because I am the one who talked with the GMs and have the most information.

Around May - Nizzar was banned for RMT. He had been caught selling 1-2 items to Sektors. Derubael wanted to perm ban Nizzar and disband the guild. I talked with Derubael for 2 hours about this. He was hard and fast on this and would not change his mind.

So then I talk to Sirken, he is much more reasonable. He agrees that they ban the account not the person. The only time they perm ban someone from every playing again is if they are running a website like platlord or some other extreme measure. All of Nizzars' accounts would be banned but he would be allowed to play here again and Nihilum would remain. I personally assured Sirken I would make sure it would not happen again. Sirken told me that Nizzar could not lead the guild. I asked what if he was leading raids in TS. He told me that they did not care as long as he was not the GM or an officer in game. We went over many examples of this and it was clear that as long as Nizzar was not GM or an officer in game it was fine. He then brought Derubael into the conversion and explained his decision. Derubael was not happen, but Sirken was head GM.

I was the ONLY person the GMs talked to about this. I am the ONLY one who knew about the conditions set out for us. These are the conditions I relayed to the guild. Not once did a GM EVER say these were not the conditions to me or any Nihilum officer after this point.

Fast forward to last week. Derubael pulls Nizzar aside out of the blue and bans him telling him because he was leading the guild and Niihlum is force disbanded. After a few conversations Derubael tells me that someone(heartbrand) submitted TS recordings of Nizzar leading raids. Derubael used that as evidence to ban/disband the guild and suspend all officers one month. I explain that was not the rules they set out for us. Derubael now says Nizzar could not even led raids in TS and that's why he disbanded Nihilum. I explained to him that #1 that wasn't the rules Sirken gave me. #2 what we do in TS is our business and not his. #3 a 5 minute conversation could have cleared this up, instead no GM wanted to. Derubael does not care, he finally got what he originally wanted.

TLDR: I was the only one who was given the conditions of Nizzars release. We followed those conditions. GMs changed the conditions and disbanded Niihlum without warning.

Lol look at this sad attempt to rules lawyer. Sounds like Nizzar was given some pretty clear instructions not to lead the guild, but ignored it anyway and tried to do it all offsite. The rules are that if you RMT, you get banned. He was very lucky to receive such light punishment.

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#2 what we do in TS is our business and not his.

Not when it's directly affecting what goes on on p99. Sounds like a thinly veiled way to circumvent Deru and Sirken's intentions. This is pretty much how toddlers act when mommy and daddy put them on time out. Goo goo ga ga time for big daddy Derubael to change your shitty diapers.

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#3 a 5 minute conversation could have cleared this up

Yes, because the proper response to someone who pissed away their second chance is to talk things through.

Nizzar should have been banned in the first place. His actions have made it very clear that Deru was right in the first place and Sirken was wrong to give him a second chance.

harnold · #3 10-05-2014, 06:09 PM

To clear this up for everyone, when the GMs said Nizzar was allowed to be officer in teamspeak, they meant that he could have officer rights to moderate the teamspeak channel. Leading a raid is still being an officer on Everquest.

Xaanka · #4 10-05-2014, 06:19 PM

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To clear this up for everyone, when the GMs said Nizzar was allowed to be officer in teamspeak, they meant that he could have officer rights to moderate the teamspeak channel. Leading a raid is still being an officer on Everquest.

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LostCause · #5 10-05-2014, 07:33 PM

who are you?

Xaanka · #6 10-05-2014, 08:40 PM

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who are you?

Doesn't matter. I tell it like it is, no bullshit.

Agatha · #7 10-05-2014, 10:08 PM

the worst part about this whole thing was that a good portion of nihilum, all great guys had no clue that this was going on. some of these guys have been so scarred by what transpired, these guys, some of them still don't believe that this kinda shit was happening within nihilum. and the others are just so hurt by it they don't even dare show there faces anymore.

I knew before I even joined Nihilum was a shithole so when it all came crashing down I really wasn't effected, I left my officer position in azrael to join nihilum, knowing that it was a shit guild on the chance that it wouldn't be as shitty as azrael (i was right).

it was either quit or join nihilum. Didn't want the last year of time investment to waste and wanted to continue playing. turns out was one of the best decesions i have ever made i made some real good pals in nihilum.

Tradesonred · #8 10-05-2014, 10:17 PM

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the worst part about this whole thing was that a good portion of nihilum, all great guys had no clue that this was going on. some of these guys have been so scarred by what transpired, these guys, some of them still don't believe that this kinda shit was happening within nihilum. and the others are just so hurt by it they don't even dare show there faces anymore.

I knew before I even joined Nihilum was a shithole so when it all came crashing down I really wasn't effected, I left my officer position in azrael to join nihilum, knowing that it was a shit guild on the chance that it wouldn't be as shitty as azrael (i was right).

it was either quit or join nihilum. Didn't want the last year of time investment to waste and wanted to continue playing. turns out was one of the best decesions i have ever made i made some real good pals in nihilum.

For real, Nihilum was pretty bad but many people to socialize with so i didnt give a fuck if terpentine was a moron, i hardly ever interacted with him and people like him. Whereas Azrael: Rellapse, Slathar, Lite, Eslade, Bamzal 24/7? Ouch.

Eslade · #9 10-06-2014, 08:10 AM

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For real, Nihilum was pretty bad but many people to socialize with so i didnt give a fuck if terpentine was a moron, i hardly ever interacted with him and people like him. Whereas Azrael: Rellapse, Slathar, Lite, Eslade, Bamzal 24/7? Ouch.

lol. I'm not in azrael.
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mitic · #10 10-06-2014, 06:34 AM

I had a feeling about nizzars rmt but no proof so I kept playing everquest and let the others do the investigative work. And as we can see, everything comes out sooner or later.

Iam all for permanent ip bans when someone gets caught the very first time. Gms are way to friendly in this regards giving rmters a second chance and that's also the reason why rmt is still so rampant imo.

Wasn't nizzar in tmo on blue?