Taken - Sev

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Ciroco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hitpoint, can I have a list of dragon spawn locations plz? Thx

Well, someone you know. This kind of info does get leaked sometimes.

[Ciroco]

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Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just assume class C knows what they are doing, and don't just blindly follow what they do.

People assuming class C knows what they are doing is precisely the reason why they get blindly followed.

Telling guilds that they can't attempt mobs without knowing their exact spawn point is pretty condescending, especially with the raid rules like this that reward (KoS) mages for being as close as possible while staying outside of aggro range. That's not easy to pinpoint, and I'm surprised this hasn't come up sooner.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Ciroco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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People assuming class C knows what they are doing is precisely the reason why they get blindly followed.

Telling guilds that they can't attempt mobs without knowing their exact spawn point is pretty condescending, especially with the raid rules like this that reward (KoS) mages for being as close as possible while staying outside of aggro range. That's not easy to pinpoint, and I'm surprised this hasn't come up sooner.

Well look how much of a shitshow this turned into. If you don't know where the mob spawns, and another guild does. How can you possibly expect to get FTE? The chances are very small. I'd just wait there and find out where the mob actually spawns, and give it a real try next time.

I agree that the mage thing is stupid. If the point of the new rules was to encourage racing from zone lines, then this is just a loophole which completely defeats the purpose. TMO and IB have never done it on class C mobs, and I think we can safely assume that they don't want to do it on FFA mobs either. Catherin says she doesn't want it, but she's the one who started it on Sev and naggy, the very first week when nobody else wanted to do it. Chest seems to dislike the mag coth also, as well as some other class R guilds. Hopefully it will go away now. We'll see what guilds decide to continue, and force everyone else to do the same.

[Hitpoint]

And this precedent has been established and ruled on, like 10 times before. You always respect the FTE shout, no matter what. There's nothing new about it.

[Lanuven]

Wheres Fearstalker been? It seems sad to think that this guild who used to be somewhat decent is now harboring such people as Catherin and still holding an officer title of the guild. I guess this goes to show you what their MO is now. Surely they will keep on keeping on if they continue to get verbal warnings at best.

[Wrench]

Originally Posted by Lanuven [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wheres Fearstalker been?

honestly was just about to post this exact question

[Exmo]

I still think the best Analogy to this situation is the BDA Suspension for Peeling off what BDA thought was a Stall without allowing the mob (CT? Draco? I don't remember) to reset.

BDA was rightfully suspended and the GM's arguement was that, even if it was a stall, BDA wasn't allowed to make that call, and should never kill anything without an FTE Message. So the Illegal Pull by a tracker doesn't matter. The kill without an FTE Shout should mean a suspension.

[sulpher01]

Originally Posted by Exmo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I still think the best Analogy to this situation is the BDA Suspension for Peeling off what BDA thought was a Stall without allowing the mob (CT? Draco? I don't remember) to reset.

BDA was rightfully suspended and the GM's arguement was that, even if it was a stall, BDA wasn't allowed to make that call, and should never kill anything without an FTE Message. So the Illegal Pull by a tracker doesn't matter. The kill without an FTE Shout should mean a suspension.

Basically this sums it up.. same situation plus a bunch of onlookers and some how the onlookers makes it OK?

So pull whatever you want if there's a bunch of people there.

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by relbaic

Draco, but I guess that part of it doesn't really matter. The lack of consistency in the rulings is pretty appalling though.

....Did you guys forget that BDA didn't get suspended for this, but instead had their loots deleted...?

I don't remember there being a clarion call to suspend BDA after that encounter. In fact, BDA argued hard that they shouldn't have their loot deleted at all.

But there was definitely not a suspension. We let BDA off with a warning.

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[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

....Did you guys forget that BDA didn't get suspended for this, but instead had their loots deleted...?

I don't remember there being a clarion call to suspend BDA after that encounter. In fact, BDA argued hard that they shouldn't have their loot deleted at all.

But there was definitely not a suspension. We let BDA off with a warning.

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but what the naggy situation with bda/taken/tmo, or fay with taken/ib, or draco with ib/tmo, or fay with taken/bda ?