Re: Raid Situation

[Seltius]

Rogean please tell us what you envision your server being. I understand you're working and busy so when you have a chance.

This telling us to talk and fix it isn't and will not work. You have too many people who all have a different idea of what they want. You were contacted by a lot of people in PMs it sounds like but how many is a lot when you have over 1k population all subject to the decisions made. I know not all are raiding now but some may in the future want to and some may just want to finish their epics one day. I understand the staff is volunteer but this is like a ship without a captain or crew. It isn't going to go anywhere without leadership.

The longer this takes to resolve the more people you may lose and the better chance of someone looking for something else to play to hang with friends. It also looks bad publicly to people who may have considered playing this game to see this.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Seltius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The longer this takes to resolve the more people you may lose and the better chance of someone looking for something else to play to hang with friends. It also looks bad publicly to people who may have considered playing this game to see this.

lmao, scare tactics always work... especially on Rogean.

[Seltius]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lmao, scare tactics always work... especially on Rogean.

It wasn't meant like that. Well at least it wasn't I really hope it didn't come across like that. I was trying to be polite and simply ask him what he wanted from his server.

[Uteunayr]

Originally Posted by Seltius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rogean please tell us what you envision your server being. I understand you're working and busy so when you have a chance.

This telling us to talk and fix it isn't and will not work. You have too many people who all have a different idea of what they want. You were contacted by a lot of people in PMs it sounds like but how many is a lot when you have over 1k population all subject to the decisions made. I know not all are raiding now but some may in the future want to and some may just want to finish their epics one day. I understand the staff is volunteer but this is like a ship without a captain or crew. It isn't going to go anywhere without leadership.

The longer this takes to resolve the more people you may lose and the better chance of someone looking for something else to play to hang with friends. It also looks bad publicly to people who may have considered playing this game to see this.

A policy dictated to people is never as easily accepted as a policy that the people accept unto themselves. That's likely the reason for sitting back and letting us hash this out. Eventually, someone will give, a compromise will be made, and a set of raid plans will be created. I can only hope that it is the Staff Proposal, so that each side can play their role all month long, rather than only on repops.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Uteunayr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can only hope that it is the Staff Proposal, so that each side can play their role all month long, rather than only on repops.

It wont be

[Bruman]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All raid targets outside VP and SKY should go

T1/T2/FFA (Which was what I proposed for Inny/VT/Trak/VS, just applied to everything by rogean now I hear)

That solves all problems.

No matter how you look at it, the hardcores are going to have to skip targets, might as well do it as easily as possible.

Also, I laugh at the people who will complain that they will have to "Keep up with whose turn it is" when you silly fucks keep up with every kill time regardless of who kills what anyhow.

It makes me feel weird when I agree with you.

Originally Posted by Fael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And how is that better than the 3-4 repop plan?

Dolic

There's been lots of talk that, regardless of what happens, part of the solution (although not necessarily immediately) will include more often full server repops and reduced variance.

[Uteunayr]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It wont be

Because it will be blocked by ignorant, foolish individuals with no sense of coming to a reasonable, workable, scientifically valid compromise that works to everyone's benefit (even their own), because it doesn't work only to their benefit.

Anyway, we're on RNF now with this thread, so I am backing out. I avoid this part of the forums like the plague, but Server Chat has seemed more and more like this place as it is.

[chickmagnet]

I've got a crazy idea that might just work....how about speed game up a bit and start putting items on other boss mobs. Remember when the fear golems dropped AoNs, change their respawn timer of course, but people would have plenty of chances for epics and hardcore guilds could still compete for dragons. CSR could use all this new found argument time to do something a bit more important...like working on that velious expansion....maybe the old devs ran into this problem and that was their solution rather than speeding up spawns or forcing rotations [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Xadion]

Originally Posted by chickmagnet [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've got a crazy idea that might just work....how about speed game up a bit and start putting items on other boss mobs. Remember when the fear golems dropped AoNs, change their respawn timer of course, but people would have plenty of chances for epics and hardcore guilds could still compete for dragons. CSR could use all this new found argument time to do something a bit more important...like working on that velious expansion....maybe the old devs ran into this problem and that was their solution rather than speeding up spawns or forcing rotations [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That would be what velious and the epic mobs change would do for the raid scene- I honestly feel once velious is out and the epic change hate 2 ct 2 are relesed that it will solve the issues at hand-- it is the time until then that we must find a solution of some sorts.

[Babayaaga]

He wants the players to cooperate to find some measure of an agreement to share content.

It's not going to please everyone, and we're all going to have to make concessions.

The real crux is that people still enjoy the adrenaline rush of the race, but definitions of how that race is played out differs from person to person from an ethical point of view. There is enough capability for many to race, but many have been abstaining because they don't share the same standard of ethics.

This "agreement" is more about establishing a code of ethics, but instead it has become sidetracked into min-maxing the math broken down into tiers of content by tiers of guilds.

When we get back to focusing on the ethics, and think less about how content is distributed, I suspect we'll be closer to an "agreement" that is signed off by Rogean because at the end of the day, we're still talking about more or less the same amount of content with just as many mouths to feed (with more mouths entering the race every day). Conflicts of ethics were straining the petition pool. Solve this problem, and much of that issue disappears.