OFFICIAL PROPOSAL from FE/TMO

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Originally Posted by Rusl [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

one thing we can all agree on is stop killing OoA so we get nobles spawning during every guild's sky clears... 1 mob down 18 to go...

Agreed.

[CodyF86]

Originally Posted by Rusl [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

one thing we can all agree on is stop killing OoA so we get nobles spawning during every guild's sky clears... 1 mob down 18 to go...

Did Taken leave him up yesterday? Thought they said they were waiting for 2 hours as per that one agreement before killing him yesterday. I may be wrong tho.

We didn't touch him, don't get me wrong it's one hell of a fight for us, but with a good cheal chain doable. (We wiped last time with him at 50% because the cheal chain was off.) So I'm kind of confused now.

Aaradin
The A-Team

[-Catherin-]

we waited over two and a half hours before we moved in to engage OoA. no other guild even showed up. im sure someone has a timestamp in their logs

[-Catherin-]

I'll make this clear too.

Im more than willing to be raid suspended for a week, or a month, or longer, if that's what its going to take for a proper agreement for everyone. This doesn't hurt me. This doesn't hurt the smaller guilds. Taken looses the respectable number of targets we get but it also gives us a break from this toxicity in the promise of something better in the future for all of us.

Not sure if I can say that about everyone in the top Guilds though so you had better think about that.

[Pheer]

Originally Posted by -Catherin- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll make this clear too.

Im more than willing to be raid suspended for a week, or a month, or longer, if that's what its going to take for a proper agreement for everyone. This doesn't hurt me. This doesn't hurt the smaller guilds. Taken looses the respectable number of targets we get but it also gives us a break from this toxicity in the promise of something better in the future for all of us.

Not sure if I can say that about everyone in the top Guilds though so you had better think about that.

So we're back to guilds holding the raid scene hostage instead of coming together and discussing compromises and alternate solutions once again? You all are talking about this glorious chance to change the server for the better and uniting as a community to end the evil hardcore guilds' tyranny, then immediately turning around and saying you want a point system and nothing else or you're taking your ball and going home since "you didnt really feel like playing anyway"

[Mezzmur]

Originally Posted by -Catherin- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll make this clear too.

Im more than willing to be raid suspended for a week, or a month, or longer, if that's what its going to take for a proper agreement for everyone. This doesn't hurt me. This doesn't hurt the smaller guilds. Taken looses the respectable number of targets we get but it also gives us a break from this toxicity in the promise of something better in the future for all of us.

Not sure if I can say that about everyone in the top Guilds though so you had better think about that.

Hate, Fear and Sky off limits too. This is a loss for everyone, really.

[Seltius]

Originally Posted by -Catherin- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll make this clear too.

Im more than willing to be raid suspended for a week, or a month, or longer, if that's what its going to take for a proper agreement for everyone. This doesn't hurt me. This doesn't hurt the smaller guilds. Taken looses the respectable number of targets we get but it also gives us a break from this toxicity in the promise of something better in the future for all of us.

Not sure if I can say that about everyone in the top Guilds though so you had better think about that.

Hmm so the GMs are going to let this extortion stand? I saw all your other posts deflecting and trying to say that isn't what you were saying. The bottom line is atm you said you would rather extort the guilds that don't support your idea since it wont hurt you. I guess you intended to do Sky, Hate, and Fear during the suspension or maybe all of your guild was going to hang with you in EC. That's an idea make EC off limits during this time also. Anyone in EC more than the time it takes to run through it gets suspended.

It seems like any improvement to the raiding scene would help you. Baby steps all it would take is to revisit and adjust the rules periodically to keep people in check and to control any unforeseen oversights. But you don't want things to improve you want to go to being the "oppressors" with the people you feel oppressed you being your victims now.

You want a point system then make it an effort based system that rewards guilds that are willing to put in the effort tracking and killing the targets that take more work/effort.

[Derubael]

Just something to consider when talking about a points system...

What do you do when 1 guild either splits into two or sticks a bunch of alts into a brand new guild...?

How will you know if that new guild is a legitimate separate entity, or just a ploy for more points?

Will you just go with your gut feeling and tell a guild that may in fact be its own thing separate from the original guild 'no, you can't raid because we think you're exploiting points'?

Just a thought. Not saying you can't do it.

[Lron]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just something to consider when talking about a points system...

What do you do when 1 guild either splits into two or sticks a bunch of alts into a brand new guild...?

How will you know if that new guild is a legitimate separate entity, or just a ploy for more points?

Will you just go with your gut feeling and tell a guild that may in fact be its own thing separate from the original guild 'no, you can't raid because we think you're exploiting points'?

Just a thought. Not saying you can't do it.

Having a raid council of trusted members in all guilds to decide if a guild is legitimate or not would solve this.

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Originally Posted by Lron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Having a raid council of trusted members in all guilds to decide if a guild is legitimate or not would solve this.

Hot damn Lron with the smack down.

Seriously though, there are many ways to determine the legitimacy of a guild. Nilbog and Rogean have both weighed in on guild sizes in the past and both realized that Guilds here are much larger than they should be for classic. This is due to variance and I think anything that causes guilds to trim the fat (really only hardcore guilds care about the rate at which members gear up) is a good thing.


Let the guilds legitimately split and punish any guild who tries to raid under alts by completely disbanding and banning their main and alt guild. Simple as that.