Official PSA - ALL GUILDS - Judgement Day is Coming

[triad]

Originally Posted by BlackTriad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The infantile argument that somehow the majority of the server isn't putting great effort into competing or that they somehow want some sort of welfare type handout doesn't wash. You certainly want people to believe that this is true but it is not. Once you realize that most of us, including those of us that log on mostly to just raid, do not believe it then perhaps we can talk about the circumstances that are the truth.

but its true, some guilds want a complete rotation taking all competition of a real world spawn mob. you might as well be doing wow instances

[Elmarnieh]

Eventually this will devolve into several guilds in order to get a chance at being on rotation will accept people into their guild for that fight or the time they have mobs.

The people in any guild that want a shot at the loot will deguild their own and join the rotating guild procession of the week who owns rights to that mob. This will become so commonplace that existing guilds will have to comply and the point of a guild becomes "The people who really like the tag and the people who need any given mob".

Guilds that don't follow this model will slowly fall out of raiding ability.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Prove we are in the minority. We have something like 300-400 people signed off.

Alarti you're easily in the minority. Only TMO and FE are currently supporting the FE plan, the other 5+ guilds are supporting the Divinity plan. We both know that BDA and Taken have rather large rosters comparable or greater than TMO/FE rosters. Add in Divinity, Europa, A-Team, and Azure Guard and it's quite clear that the Divinity proposal has more guilds and people backing it.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Prove we are in the minority. We have something like 300-400 people signed off.

there are about 1100-1500 people logging on P99.

[DrKvothe]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Prove we are in the minority. We have something like 300-400 people signed off.

How many of those people are people? Would those 2 banned guys have gotten to vote on all 688 of their characters?

[Mezzmur]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One of the things you guys need to stop doing is assuming that we are stupid. Your plan got a lot of backlash because most people did not see it as a good faith effort, but rather an attempt to pull the wool over our eyes. There are huge differences between Divinity's plan and your plan, even if the 7 days becomes 10.



IMO one of the best parts of Divinity's plan is that all guilds get to see all the content eventually without having to step into the fetid swamp of variance raiding.



Agreed 100%.

That being said, in any negotiation its important to consider your BATNA (best alternative to an agreement). I don't think the raid guilds have fully realized just how bad theirs is. The real question is not how long the non-raid guild would hold out (forever) but how Sirken would assign votes to various guilds. One vote per guild (or per player) and the casual guilds just cathartically vote in a full rotation, and your share of the mobs drops from 70% to 30%. He might not do that, because he does love competition, but do you really want to take that chance?

I don't think there's any wool. I think that people play EQ because it was an MMO that actually required work and was a challenge, It's NOT an instant gratification video game like WoW or any MMO after EQ.

When you play call of duty, you login and level up to attain power ups, skills and weapons and over time you progress. You get out of the video game what you put into it. Some that are willing to put more in, get more out. Simple. You're asking to put less in and get more out, so it seems reasonable that this wouldn't be a perfect Utopian 50/50 split. 10 days of 30 days seems pretty reasonable and there are mobs Tier 1 guilds don't touch in those other 20 days too.

Taken stepped up and started spanking Inny because they decided to put more into the game, someone could have easily done the same for any other mob out there especially as you say you have the numbers. It seems to be we should be looking at distribution by participation, activity, contribution not by mouths to feed. just imho.

[quido]

Nonhardcores wanting to go from 0% rotation to 50% rotation is absurd. It's like people on welfare all of a sudden having a say in how much money they get and not being happy when offered $2500 a month - FUCK THAT I WANT $5000

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Prove we are in the minority. We have something like 300-400 people signed off.

Originally Posted by DrKvothe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How many of those people are people? Would those 2 banned guys have gotten to vote on all 688 of their characters?

Going with TMO logic 300-400 "people" is about 8 people.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nonhardcores wanting to go from 0% rotation to 50% rotation is absurd.

It's absurd to you, but will it be absurd to Sirken?

[Mezzmur]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's absurd to you, but will it be absurd to Sirken?

I'm pretty sure they found it comical last night when streaming. I tried to state it a more PC way, but I think the underlying principle and thought is the same.