Proposition For Raid Rules - Input Requested

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's no reason repops shouldn't count toward a point limit. They reset the spawn timer of raid mobs. Point system doesn't have to be exclusive either, it could still have a time limit rule applied. If said mob killed after timer, no points taken.

If they are consistent repops. That can be accounted for then they should be added. If its a random event. They should be gravy.

[Troubled]

Originally Posted by radditsu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If they are consistent repops. That can be accounted for then they should be added. If its a random event. They should be gravy.

A random event that still happens maybe once every month or 2 would still benefit guilds that don't mobilize as quickly if points are deducted. If they can't get their shit together after say 2 hours, no points deducted from the guild that kills whatever target past that point. Mobs still won't stay up all that long.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A random event that still happens maybe once every month or 2 would still benefit guilds that don't mobilize as quickly if points are deducted. If they can't get their shit together after say 2 hours, no points deducted from the guild that kills whatever target past that point. Mobs still won't stay up all that long.

If you want it account for it.

In a fair open system you need to build a base off of things that happen. The way it works now is all the data we have. Numbers can be crunched if rogean says "
POPS FOR EVERYONE! MAKE IT RAIN!"

As she stands we have windows and no repops. I am not saying that you shouldnt lobby for them. Repops are a blast. But yeah.... aside from fte shouts they are focused on velious. And fte shouts benefit the GMs the most out of everyone.

[Bossman]

Plus weekly repops would be far too frequent

[radditsu]

Draco averaging 3 a week?

[Yinikren]

Yes, for my previous message, points values were being assigned under the assumption that repops would not happen weekly and thus could not be consistantly accounted for. Weekly repops seems a bit much when most of these mobs have a weeklong spawn timer as it is.

[radditsu]

Soo 58 raids a month if you leave two open naggy and one open vox? Thats makig draco when ct pops a second encounter


Outside of vp of course..

[Tyym]

Rogean has already stated that majority rules and that is what will happen.

Every guild should be discussing what method it wants and then come together and voice their opinion.

IF TMO as a guild doesn't agree to it, it won't fail, instead TMO will stay raid suspended.

Basically, every guild should be figuring out what it thinks is reasonable, then come together with like minded guilds and hash out things and keep doing this until they can all come to an agreement or a vast majority can.

Rogean said we should discuss it. We are discussing it. He didn't say that we should wrap up raid targets on a silver platter and hand them to you. FE/IB & TMO will likely come to some agreement where we will give time allotments for responses to raid targets where we will not intervene and perhaps even give up 1 out of every 5 or 6 mobs. But we wont agree to a system that puts a rotation in place or coddles weaker guilds into obtaining loot. If you want to compete: unite, build alliances, track, respond and knock us off the chair. But for fuck sakes at least work for it.

Morphius

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Tyym [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rogean said we should discuss it. We are discussing it. He didn't say that we should wrap up raid targets on a silver platter and hand them to you. FE/IB & TMO will likely come to some agreement where we will give time allotments for responses to raid targets where we will not intervene and perhaps even give up 1 out of every 5 or 6 mobs. But we wont agree to a system that puts a rotation in place or coddles weaker guilds into obtaining loot. If you want to compete: unite, build alliances, track, respond and knock us off the chair. But for fuck sakes at least work for it.

Morphius

This post pretty much embodies why we need to determine how consensus will be found on this issue. If it's a 1 person 1 vote system, then we'll end up with a server rotation. Anything in any democratic sense is not going to favor the people currently getting targets. Which is why in my previous thread I'm simply looking for an answer as to how the 'raiding guild consensus' Rogean mentioned will be found. It directly impacts discussion, or whether there is even a discussion to be had.

Are we still tracking / engaging things in seconds, rotating targets, or having the two major guilds throw the smaller guilds a bone every now and again? Because those are the only three options I'm seeing here in the grand sense. And which one will be chosen is determined 100% by CSR, because they're choosing the rules that will be enforced. And the rules that will be enforced is determined by "the raiding community" which needs to be described in further detail by Rogean or whoever is making such a decision.

[Troubled]

Originally Posted by Tyym [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Rogean said we should discuss it. We are discussing it. He didn't say that we should wrap up raid targets on a silver platter and hand them to you. FE/IB & TMO will likely come to some agreement where we will give time allotments for responses to raid targets where we will not intervene and perhaps even give up 1 out of every 5 or 6 mobs. But we wont agree to a system that puts a rotation in place or coddles weaker guilds into obtaining loot. If you want to compete: unite, build alliances, track, respond and knock us off the chair. But for fuck sakes at least work for it.

Morphius

People that are interested in that scene are already in those guilds. Rogean also said majority rules, and you shouldn't feel like you're on the top of some tower where you get to choose what scraps and how often to toss down to the normies. If most of the people that form any of these "casual" guilds were together on live they'd be the dominant guild on their respective server.