Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by Excidium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People were more decent on Live. P99 is what an MMO looks like when it is accompanied by 4chan style mentality. I have never seen so many online losers fight over stupid shit before in my life. Share the damn content. I have a hard time believing TMO still needs loot after two years in Kunark. Maybe if they ran classic raid numbers (around 24 in Kunark) and no maxed out alts camped for the poopsock, everybody could have a shot at killing targets.

I was in Echoes of Elysium on the progression. I sat indifferent to Damdor's selfish BS. You don't need those targets, you just like "owning" everything. He ran a RMT scheme. He enjoyed the grief he caused other guilds. I'd laugh so hard if this server got shut down tomorrow. Just think of all the lost RL time your members lost by poopsocking targets. Maybe if you played a more livable game schedule you would have less turnover. Best be feeding that RMT market.

Nicely put.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Excidium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People were more decent on Live. P99 is what an MMO looks like when it is accompanied by 4chan style mentality. I have never seen so many online losers fight over stupid shit before in my life. Share the damn content. I have a hard time believing TMO still needs loot after two years in Kunark. Maybe if they ran classic raid numbers (around 24 in Kunark) and no maxed out alts camped for the poopsock, everybody could have a shot at killing targets.

I was in Echoes of Elysium on the progression. I sat indifferent to Damdor's selfish BS. You don't need those targets, you just like "owning" everything. He ran a RMT scheme. He enjoyed the grief he caused other guilds. I'd laugh so hard if this server got shut down tomorrow. Just think of all the lost RL time your members lost by poopsocking targets. Maybe if you played a more livable game schedule you would have less turnover. Best be feeding that RMT market.

Here is a look into the mindset of your average TMO member:

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't read any of this thread but any rule change may stop me as a TMO member from getting as much loot for my alts I will veto it.

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If TMO didn't have a monopoly on VP how would purchased all your gear like you do now?

It's fairly sad and disappointing, 12+ years later.

[xarzzardorn]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here is a look into the mindset of your average TMO member:





It's fairly sad and disappointing, 12+ years later.

the best reason to argue with you about training in vp is because of how blatantly self serving your whining is. "we could have done it if we really wanted to" lol

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Arteker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

actualy he trained us first not very efective at some point FE had 16 dedicated trainers took us 4 hours but we did killed all mobs.
if u wan t real train wars u gotta look at IB vs TMO back in the day at some point after months of trying to train us and never stoping us they almost never show up.

yeah sure there is always 2 or 3 people trying to train but usualy end dead quickly and without support njot much they can do.

Why is this relevant to the conversation at all?

Originally Posted by xarzzardorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the best reason to argue with you about training in vp is because of how blatantly self serving your whining is. "we could have done it if we really wanted to" lol

How about I'll make a deal with you?
I'll delete my only VP keyed character's VP key if the rules are changed permanently, and training is never allowed. You can have a GM confirm it was done too, I'll start over on a new VP key.
But for now, you can't say that my ideas are self serving and I can say that I'm genuinely concerned about a non-classic rule which hurts the raiding scene as a whole.
The fact that you all come here shitting up my non-RNF thread arguing against any discussion about changing the rule seems awfully self serving as well.


If people want to discuss changing the rules, why is it up to TMO to end that discussion and troll the fuck out of the thread until its moved to rants and flames?

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why is this relevant to the conversation at all?

Because while u though u could Train and wipe TMO and get into Vp after getting lucky with a single dragon u didint complained about train police.

Because u know ur real chance actualy to repeat it after u tried the train way for months with no result is to try to ban it.



what you do as always is CRY and cry and cry and moan all over fucking server because it dont benefeits you .

and then you claim TMO is selfish guild when actualy things worked that way for you and ur guild u where very silent , at best u all want is a public outcry probably will never be in vp even when velious is launched because they will not put the time and the effort to get in it.


lets think if tmo want promise a free random loot of any vop dragon to anyone with a key ,, you think if tmo do this u would find any support? .

u just want something forbidden by forum people because in game u are nothing than less to get it .

[timhutton]

Tasslehoff is literally one of the worst players that could have created this thread/brought this issue up.

Reading his posts is likely to give me an aneurysm at some point in the very near future, and the dude is practically a non-TMO version of Alarti with serious grammar issues, mixed with the posting fury/dedication of Harrison.

That said, some of his points are valid, and the fact that it was this particular individual that brought up/created the thread should not detract too much from the message.

Ignore the messenger.

[SCB]

Originally Posted by Excidium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People were more decent on Live. P99 is what an MMO looks like when it is accompanied by 4chan style mentality. I have never seen so many online losers fight over stupid shit before in my life. Share the damn content.

QFT.

Originally Posted by Arteker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

people was quite polite in live servers? thats hilarius , maybe u not enough old back then to understand what realy was happening but there was not mr nice politics in eq back in the day.

you know tass u remember me to some of the player base would cry moan in the forums about stuff like: omg plane of justice trials are to rough we cannot xp in valor, omg me we need a easy mode for everything .

Please God tell me English is not your first language.

[Laugher]

Lets recap what has actually been established (or re established here)

1. People of various guilds are enraged by the current policy and as a result how they interact with VP and use the same methods (training) to get what and where they want (hopefully)

2. We've heard from the leadership of TMO, and they like/embrace the current policy lol

3. RnF for 20 pages

So moving past this rage forumquest, how are other guilds going to deal with this if the policy isn't going to change? Lets hear some of that [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Laugher]

Originally Posted by Laugher [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lets recap what has actually been established (or re established here)

1. People of various guilds are enraged by the current policy and as a result how they interact with VP and use the same methods (training) to get what and where they want (hopefully)

2. We've heard from the leadership of TMO, and they like/embrace the current policy lol

3. RnF for 20 pages

So moving past this rage forumquest, how are other guilds going to deal with this if the policy isn't going to change? Lets hear some of that [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Moving forward do any* guilds or guild reps want to tackle the question after number 3?

[ArumTP]

Training everywhere or nowhere