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[Taxi]

Originally Posted by Xenephex [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Taxi, you are just never wrong about anything are you? I can only be grateful that I will never have to get stuck in an actual conversation with you.

Of course im wrong sometimes, i tend to stick to talking about stuff i know though, so i dont look like Alawen with Lollerskates on going by whoosh whoosh like AMERICA!! BEST FUCKING THING SINCE THE EARTH COOLED DOWN AND LIFE APPEARED ON THIS PLANET!! ITS GOT ELECTROLYTES!!

[Gorgetrapper]

Originally Posted by Taxi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Meaning what? CS gas is a military grade tear gas. Ive seen a 6 foot 4 guy vomiting violently from inhaling it. Ive been caught in a cloud and you panic because your lungs just stop breathing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CS_gas

Yeah, after being hit by it multiple times, it's laughable as I said earlier. Just because someone is 6 foot 4 means NOTHING, height means NOTHING. The guy apparently was a little bitch.

[Hasbinbad]

Yes Taxi, but WHY do plants crave electrolytes?!?

[ShadowWulf]

Originally Posted by Gorgetrapper [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, after being hit by it multiple times, it's laughable as I said earlier. Just because someone is 6 foot 4 means NOTHING, height means NOTHING. The guy apparently was a little bitch.

I have been gassed. And apparently you linked an article you didn't read.

Although described as a non-lethal weapon for crowd control, many studies have raised doubts about this classification. As well as creating severe pulmonary damage, CS can also significantly damage the heart and liver

On September 28, 2000, Prof. Dr. Uwe Heinrich released a study commissioned by John C. Danforth, of the United States Office of Special Counsel, to investigate the use of CS by the FBI at the Branch Davidians' Mount Carmel compound. He concluded that the lethality of CS used would have been determined mainly by two factors: whether gas masks were used and whether the occupants were trapped in a room. He suggests that if no gas masks were used and the occupants were trapped, then, "...there is a distinct possibility that this kind of CS exposure can significantly contribute to or even cause lethal effects."

Many reports have associated CS exposure with miscarriages. This is consistent with its reported clastogenic effect (abnormal chromosome change) on mammalian cells.

When CS is metabolized, cyanide can be detected in human tissue. According to the United States Army Center for Health Promotion and Preventive Medicine, CS emits "very toxic fumes" when heated to decomposition, and at specified concentrations CS gas is an immediate danger to life and health. They also state that those exposed to CS gas should seek medical attention immediately."

With exposure, or proper precautions you can continue to operate in CS gas but that is not its intent, and depending on exposure it not only makes sense for said person to nearly pass out, especially if he had breathing issues to start with, but such an effect is in fact exactly what is desired and hoped for by the gassing in the first place.
Thats why its USED.

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Hasbinbad: Because its whats plants CRAVE!

[Hasbinbad]

..but WHY do they crave it??

[Gorgetrapper]

Originally Posted by ShadowWulf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have been gassed. And apparently you linked an article you didn't read.

I didn't link anything, i just quoted his message. After being exposed in CS gas for 10 minutes, your body is barely affected by the effects of the CS gas. I should know, there was little 'contest' to see who can stay in the longest and after you reach the 10 minute mark it didn't matter much. It's getting to that point which sucks.

[Taxi]

Originally Posted by Gorgetrapper [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't link anything, i just quoted his message. After being exposed in CS gas for 10 minutes, your body is barely affected by the effects of the CS gas. I should know, there was little 'contest' to see who can stay in the longest and after you reach the 10 minute mark it didn't matter much. It's getting to that point which sucks.

Clearly it wasnt the stuff we were exposed to, it wasnt at the same concentrated level or you have an unusually high tolerance for it. I experienced symptoms which are listed in this wiki article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CS_gas

"The chemical reacts with moisture on the skin and in the eyes, causing a burning sensation and the immediate forceful and uncontrollable shutting of the eyes. Effects usually include tears streaming from the eyes, coughing, running nose full of mucus, burning in the nose and throat areas, disorientation, dizziness and restricted breathing. In highly concentrated doses it can also induce severe coughing and vomiting. Almost all of the immediate effects wear off in a matter of minutes."

I panicked at some point in the tight quebec streets because i couldnt breathe anymore. I was trying to suck air in, but the lungs were not taking anything in. That started happening about 20 seconds after I started breathing in a heavy cloud of CS gas. It can get dangerous because when people panic the only thing on their minds is getting out of the cloud so they can breath again, and it can lead to stampeding. In Quebec city there is alot of tight streets like you would see in some European cities, so the gas gets concentrated pretty bad in close quarters, thats part of how i experienced it.

You can say the 6 foot 4 guy was a pussy but i never heard such deep down vomiting and shortness of breath before or after i heard that guy alternate between puking and trying to breath in from his gas mask and he was built like a fridge. Maybe he had a condition, but everywhere around me i could see the effect described in the wiki article.

[Hasbinbad]

There is a lot to be said for the mental preparedness of individuals who KNOW #1 that they are about to be gassed and #2 the effects / what to expect.

An average person, out for a protest, is going to be effected a lot differently when surprise-attacked with a gas cannister, for example, than someone in a controlled military situation where individuals are being acclimated to the effects of CS gas.

This is indisputable.

[astarothel]

Originally Posted by Taxi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It really sounded like you saw a cop throw a canister of gas at a protester on TV and you made up a story about how you could dodge the gas by not being close to the guy it was aimed at.

You can dodge the gas by not being close to the guy it was aimed at.
It's called not being in the same area/street/block/quarter as him.

Plenty of civies were smart enough to manage that, either dipping out for the weekend from their homes/jobs, or when they saw the situation begin to deteriorate.

I will admit what I saw at QC shocked me, maybe because I was twenty years old at the time and didn't think it would get that far out of hand. That being said I continue to contend to this day that there is nothing at this particular juncture in time in the western world that necessitates violent protest, but that is just my belief for now. Do what thou wilt.

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Aside: Anyone else interested to see how next years' G Summit in France goes? Sarkozy's promised it will be protest friendly and have 1/10 Canada's security budget, but I'll be damned if French students don't know how to throw a good riot.

[Taxi]

Originally Posted by astarothel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can dodge the gas by not being close to the guy it was aimed at.
It's called not being in the same area/street/block/quarter as him.

Right. So i guess if i was "smart" and went to another neighboorhood than the one where the protests were and gave up my right to voice my opinion publicly then i wouldnt have been gassed. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One other thing to keep in mind, banks could be targeted because of anger at the recent bailouts. Oxfam recently said that the money used to bail out banks could have eradicated extreme poverty off the face of the earth for 50 years. So although i dont think breaking windows is ever a good idea for a tactic or to make your point, i can understand where some of the anger might come from.