Lore items and "Body camping"

[Bones]

Originally Posted by Humwawa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think there's a little more to this, than this, and I suspect this moves to Rants and Raves by the time we see the agenda behind the post.

Wtf are you talking about? Im not targeting any particular person, I am not ranting of flaming anybody, and there certainly isn't any "agenda".
This is a legitimate concern for many people, myself included.
Don't try to derail this please.

[girth]

Then I'll only say that any level 50 who keeps a camp SOLO after farming 2 or more rare LORE items for themselves is a douche bag. At least when others are wanting to move up to said camp. Otherwise, keep it forever.

I'm level 45, I have spent days if not weeks in LGUK, and I have yet to see any camp besides bedroom, ass/sup, or minos. My guild and I thought it was SOO bad, that we stopped doing LGUK and have not been back. We have been doing Sol B because the solo farmers in LGUK are out of control.

Cannot even get frenzy/AM or lord at like 5am. The solo farmers are STILL there and still leaving items on corpses to farm more.

It's pretty fucking retarded when its easier to camp fire giant nameds than lguk nameds.

I've killed Tranix/Warlord/Magus at least 2-3 times each. I have NEVER even seen Frenzy or Lord yet. I only saw AM in a train. Its not from a lack of trying.

[Humwawa]

I'm a pretty hardcore Frenzy camper.

My reasons are mine, and I've almost finished with my goal. This means I'll stop taking it whenever I can, and holding it as long as I can.

For my part, I've never been asked to "yield" the camp, not by you, not by anyone. In fact, I've never seen Bootleg anywhere near Frenzy. And we were, I thought, friendly towards each other before.. whatever this is started.

I've been asked to List it, and I usually can't remember it by the end of the camp. I've left the camp to respond to a guild raid call and been chewed out by another necro because I forgot his "spot." That was you, Bones. =)

In short - there are several people who camp Frenzy, and as far as I know, there's no secret society that plans to lock it forever. You're just unlucky. Nothing is being done in Lower Guk that you yourselves cannot do yourselves, and this is simply a mask for a bigger issue - Camp Etiquette.

Do I die with FBSSes and save them on corpses? Yes. I do this and will stop when I've finished with the goal I've set for myself, which is almost through. You act as if I've been there the past three months, when it's actually been two days.

[Bones]

Originally Posted by Humwawa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've been asked to List it, and I usually can't remember it by the end of the camp. I've left the camp to respond to a guild raid call and been chewed out by another necro because I forgot his "spot." That was you, Bones. =)

Lol, well I won't deny that I wasn't upset, but that was weeks ago and hardly the basis behind this post. I certainly wasn't upset at you.. Just a little ticked about sitting there all day waiting for the camp and not getting it in the end anyways. (I wasn't trying to "chew you out", sorry if that was the impression you got) The reasoning behind this post is the resulting corpse stacking that is going on. I am not trying to single you out, there are several people doing this and the camp is locked down 24/7, intentional or not.

Originally Posted by Humwawa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In short - there are several people who camp Frenzy, and as far as I know, there's no secret society that plans to lock it forever. You're just unlucky. Nothing is being done in Lower Guk that you yourselves cannot do yourselves, and this is simply a mask for a bigger issue - Camp Etiquette.

To that I have to disagree. As girth already said. "It's not a matter of not trying."
There are groups in guk all the time who would kill for the frenzy camp, but its always being farmed, and groups simply do not stay formed for 12+ hours waiting in line for a camp like that. I promise you if frenzy wasn't being solo farmed 24/7 there would be exp groups there all the time. (Not that I am saying it shouldn't be allowed to be solo camped, but you see what I am getting at)

Originally Posted by Humwawa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do I die with FBSSes and save them on corpses? Yes. I do this and will stop when I've finished with the goal I've set for myself, which is almost through. You act as if I've been there the past three months, when it's actually been two days.

I can't tell who this is directed at, but again, this is not just about you or any one person, and infact I know most of you guys who do it, and you are cool dudes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Edit - Damn the thread is getting derailed already.

[Humwawa]

Yeah, derailing it was kinda my intent.

It's obvious the issue isn't body camping, but how the camp is held by classes able to solo it, and I suspect that which side you're on depends on whether or not you are one of those classes.

Sometimes I can't get Frenzy either.

I don't camp to save tons of money. I camp for a reason. I don't mean harm, I just mean to accomplish the purpose I've set for myself, and when I'm finished, I'll move on.

Will another solo class take my place. I can guarantee it.

[girth]

Originally Posted by Humwawa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm a pretty hardcore Frenzy camper.

My reasons are mine, and I've almost finished with my goal. This means I'll stop taking it whenever I can, and holding it as long as I can.

For my part, I've never been asked to "yield" the camp, not by you, not by anyone. In fact, I've never seen Bootleg anywhere near Frenzy. And we were, I thought, friendly towards each other before.. whatever this is started.

I've been asked to List it, and I usually can't remember it by the end of the camp. I've left the camp to respond to a guild raid call and been chewed out by another necro because I forgot his "spot." That was you, Bones. =)

In short - there are several people who camp Frenzy, and as far as I know, there's no secret society that plans to lock it forever. You're just unlucky. Nothing is being done in Lower Guk that you yourselves cannot do yourselves, and this is simply a mask for a bigger issue - Camp Etiquette.

Do I die with FBSSes and save them on corpses? Yes. I do this and will stop when I've finished with the goal I've set for myself, which is almost through. You act as if I've been there the past three months, when it's actually been two days.

My post isn't directed solely toward you, I just chose to mimic your opening because I highly disagree with what you said, and I'm not very creative so I stole it!

We have been friendly in game, and I still think we are, but that doesn't change my opinion on this matter. I cannot even get near frenzy for the most part, because its camped 30 hours a day 9 days a week and normally the people camping there(or AFK there) are VERY territorial.

I have not had specific issues with you in LGUK ham, in fact you've helped me out, remember letting me know Cav was up with his 2h in hand? I still think you're awesome for that. That said, I think what you're doing is kinda wrong, but I'm not a GM, so maybe in their 'vision' its not. In that case, good luck on finishing quickly and letting others get some goodies. =D

ps You haven't seen me there, because like I said - my guild gave up on trying to get any camp higher than ass/sup/cav/exe - which is crazy seeing as we group very late at night and play till morning quite often.

We want some FBSS's so bad at this point for our melee, we feel our best chance is to farm FGs to get some of that loot to trade for some FBSS's. That is pretty stupid considering we have had the ability to kill the frenzy camp for at least 3-4 weeks now.

[Olarid99]

Originally Posted by Humwawa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm a pretty hardcore Frenzy camper.

My reasons are mine, and I've almost finished with my goal. This means I'll stop taking it whenever I can, and holding it as long as I can.

For my part, I've never been asked to "yield" the camp, not by you, not by anyone. In fact, I've never seen Bootleg anywhere near Frenzy. And we were, I thought, friendly towards each other before.. whatever this is started.

I've been asked to List it, and I usually can't remember it by the end of the camp. I've left the camp to respond to a guild raid call and been chewed out by another necro because I forgot his "spot." That was you, Bones. =)

In short - there are several people who camp Frenzy, and as far as I know, there's no secret society that plans to lock it forever. You're just unlucky. Nothing is being done in Lower Guk that you yourselves cannot do yourselves, and this is simply a mask for a bigger issue - Camp Etiquette.

Do I die with FBSSes and save them on corpses? Yes. I do this and will stop when I've finished with the goal I've set for myself, which is almost through. You act as if I've been there the past three months, when it's actually been two days.

The problem lies in the fact that the server rules allow this to happen. If after seeing you there for 3 days and 8 corpses all with fbss's on them, it'd be about time to steam roll the camp, but here your protected so enjoy your plat on the free emu server!

[Humwawa]

Originally Posted by Olarid99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem lies in the fact that the server rules allow this to happen. If after seeing you there for 3 days and 8 corpses all with fbss's on them, it'd be about time to steam roll the camp, but here your protected so enjoy your plat on the free emu server!

Know what's funny? The internet.

Eight corpses? Really? I wish I were that lucky. Three days? I don't have the stamina.

There's a game in kindergarten where children sit in a circle and whisper a phrase from one child to the next, until it goes full circle. That phrase is never what it was when it was first conceived.

But I think in this case, you're just making shit up. =)

For the Internet Record, I corpse banked FBSSes once, on one day when I was extremely, extremely, extremely lucky. I'd do it again if I were equally lucky another day, sure (never happen).. but just to let you know, I've only done it once, to date. For all the wailing and gnashing of teeth here, you'd think the Great Whore of Babylon broke through the stone slabs in the floor of the Blood Fountain room and, in a torrent of hellfire and guile, cajoled me into oppressing the melee of Norrath in exchange for pleasure and power in the physical world.

Corpse banking is extremely useful, and for more than just saving drops. If you're begging GMs to change the mechanic as a half-assed way to circumvent an entirely different issue - you want Frenzy camp and don't quite know how to go about it - then you are making a terrible mistake. Wait until Sebilis and Sky open and see.

[null1fy]

Originally Posted by Olarid99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem lies in the fact that the server rules allow this to happen. If after seeing you there for 3 days and 8 corpses all with fbss's on them, it'd be about time to steam roll the camp, but here your protected so enjoy your plat on the free emu server!

I sure wish I could get 8 corpses with FBSS's on them. I've gotten nothing but moonstone rings lately. Surely those 8 corpses were 'all' Humwawa's. Surely they all had FBSS's on them.

[Omnimorph]

it's a viable exploit, it was in classic, so in the nature of the server it should probably stay in. People did the exact same thing with no rent items. Infact the only reason they changed it was because after a gm even in which they handed out http://lucy.allakhazam.com/item.html?id=11000
people kept dying with them so they could use them constantly without losing them when they logged out.

Yeah it is a pretty crappy thing to do, but hey, some people are just pretty crappy people [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]