Fastest PL - Ench, Shaman or Monk? Friendly wager anyone?

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by pasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This really depends on level.

Shaman (DS pots) or Druids rape powerleveling low levels. I don't think this is disputable.

Monk might win the mid-level, but I still think Shaman wins here.

Enchanters are going to be kings of high-level power level. I don't think this is disputable.

We were mostly talking about higher levels in that thread. The rate he had claimed (90 min for half of 53 on a warrior) is the same rate I achieved before epics. I'd imagine it's better now, as I was clearing 2/3 of north wing HS while PL'ing a 59 warrior the other day. I've never witnessed enc PL, but it could theoretically be much better than anything else. You'd need a lot of high level mobs though, as I'm sure it would be tough for an enc to break charm and recharm about once per minute as I was doing in HS. Maybe not though, I don't play an enc often enough.

Up until 20 or so, druid is certainly best. I think monk may be best in mid levels, as certain changes to the game (particularly mob run speed) have greatly affected shaman mid level PL. It was great back in the day, pulling 1/3 of solA at a time, letting ds rape the mobs and then have the level 20 avatar'ed melee kill the runners. Also, monk really shines against mobs 20 levels below them.

I'm pretty confident that shaman is best for 50+ though, and I'll gladly take this wager once I do a little more work on my technique. Haven't been in the business much since getting epic.

Also, the mob count metric is a poor idea. I highly doubt a monk is going to PL in HS where so much HT damage must be absorbed. So we'd be PL'ing in different areas with different ZEMs, mob levels, etc. xp gain is the only important metric. Also, we'd have to agree on certain conditions of the PL'ee. Shaman PL is much more dependent on both the gear and skill of the person being PL'ed. I know monk PL does require the person have some moderate skill and gear, but the xp gain isn't wildly different if the person has haste or not, etc.

[Tasslehofp99]

What lvl range? lol I'm fairly certain Druid PL 1-40 is about the fastest you can get, then 40+ I'd say monk/necro/SK deffinetly faster, or mages with pet recall method.

[pasi]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We were mostly talking about higher levels in that thread. The rate he had claimed (90 min for half of 53 on a warrior) is the same rate I achieved before epics. I'd imagine it's better now, as I was clearing 2/3 of north wing HS while PL'ing a 59 warrior the other day. I've never witnessed enc PL, but it could theoretically be much better than anything else. You'd need a lot of high level mobs though, as I'm sure it would be tough for an enc to break charm and recharm about once per minute as I was doing in HS. Maybe not though, I don't play an enc often enough.

I'm pretty confident that shaman is best for 50+ though, and I'll gladly take this wager once I do a little more work on my technique. Haven't been in the business much since getting epic.

Theft of Thought alone would give enchanters enough mana to charm once a minute in a place like Howling Stones where most of the mobs are SKs. Breaking isn't a problem with a Gazughi.

But yeah, I agree monk is out-of-the-fucking question for 50+ power leveling.

With that said, I've only really power leveled 40+ in SolB and Highkeep. Howling Stones would be much better, but the 2 people I've powerleveled didn't have a HS key.

[Heebo]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What lvl range? lol I'm fairly certain Druid PL 1-40 is about the fastest you can get, then 40+ I'd say monk/necro/SK deffinetly faster, or mages with pet recall method.

Yeah, you'd really have to hammer out the details before a challenge like this. PLing a wizard that has already purchased their PBAEs to level 30? I'd take bard PL any day.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by pasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Theft of Thought alone would give enchanters enough mana to charm once a minute in a place like Howling Stones where most of the mobs are SKs. Breaking isn't a problem with a Gazughi.

But yeah, I agree monk is out-of-the-fucking question for 50+ power leveling.

With that said, I've only really power leveled 40+ in SolB and Highkeep. Howling Stones would be much better, but the 2 people I've powerleveled didn't have a HS key.

Yeah, but enc have other duties as well. Haste, rune occasionally, root?, calm? I'm not familiar enough with enc PL to know the exact technique. Perhaps with mem blur, they don't even need to break and recharm each mob. I certainly wouldn't put money against an enc without knowing how their PL works and actually witnessing it. And that's really the reason for posting in the EC threads. It wasn't because we were competing for business. I rarely PL anymore and always have plenty willing to pay for it. It just seems ignorant to claim to have the fastest PL on the server when you have no to limited experience with other classes' PL.

[pasi]

Yeah, c2 plus medding while charmed mobs kill each other covers the mana to root and pacify.

Basically just let 2 mobs kill each other (I only slow/haste if one is raping the other) - break charm when both are low, let the person kill. Repeat. Works a lot better with casters. I never tried with a melee.

But yeah, pretty dumb for a 60 enc/shm to powerlevel for cash since you can make a lot more money cherry picking spawns.

[Wrei]

Druid+Monk> any single class combination. /end thread. Geared monks will have virtually no downtime and great dps but the druid will insure the mobs are being low level rooted along with the ds/regen/hp buff for w/e class they play. The downtime comes from the PLee trying to kill the mob, not the person PL'ing. Also the druid would provide quick ports to various hotspots for the appropriate level range. Even with all of this, giving a fast delay weapon to the caster.. you still need the recipient to be somewhat remotely intelligent to get the optimal efficiency. I've purchased about 7 PL's from the EC thread for myself and a few of my friends needing to catchup. Each of them did not understand efficiency or the optimal hot spots. So instead of purchasing a PL from a single decent monk at 4k / hour, it's much better to purchase a monk + druid team at 2k/hour each. I guarantee monk/druid will produce a lvl 50 (any class) toon faster than any other class.

[pasi]

If you're opening this discussion up to multiple people power leveling a toon, a Wizard grouped with a power-levelee set up with a out-of group Chardok AoE group support are going to go at warp-speed.

Besides, I'd wager enc/shaman or Enc/Enc are going to power level faster than a monk/druid team.

[Lexical]

I would also put my money on Shaman/enc on high level PLs.

[KentalCowtipper]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, but enc have other duties as well. Haste, rune occasionally, root?, calm? I'm not familiar enough with enc PL to know the exact technique. Perhaps with mem blur, they don't even need to break and recharm each mob. I certainly wouldn't put money against an enc without knowing how their PL works and actually witnessing it. And that's really the reason for posting in the EC threads. It wasn't because we were competing for business. I rarely PL anymore and always have plenty willing to pay for it. It just seems ignorant to claim to have the fastest PL on the server when you have no to limited experience with other classes' PL.

Orruar I haven't PL'd much in the past month due to to RL being busy as hell but I used to quite frequently. Everyone I have PL'd has told me flat out that I provide the fastest PL they've ever had. I'm basing my claim on that. I'm not just talking about 1 or 2 random people telling me that - I'm talking a good 15-20 people or more. These are people who have purchased a PL from others in the past.

I agree 100% that an ench or a shaman can be a very effective powerleveler but
what you're discounting about me is that I'm definitely not you're normal run of the mill monk PL. There are no other melee classes on the solo artist challenge list. The reason for this is 3 fold:
A) Monks are OP compared to other melee.
B) I'm *arguably* the best geared monk on the server. I also happen to have some skill - maybe not the best on the server but I'm probably up there. 2nd in BoTB; loosing by 22hp to first place is a good argument for that (I'd like to compete against adrianna in a PL contest too but she's never on anymore. Plus I know with C below I'd get her - unless she found one to borrowed)
C) Pre-Nerf Fungi Staff. No other monk I know is triple stacking self regen. This is the actually the biggest factor of the 3 listed. 52 a tick with just under 1100 ac is huge when it comes to factoring a consistent kill rate. Add in the fact that I do fairly high DPS - 5-10% under our guild rogues consistently - and this makes for a very strong, very consistent powerlevel.

Not to mention you're not looking at the majority of classes being powerleveled. There is no real way that you can power level an ench, mage, necro, wiz, bard, cleric, shaman or druid faster than I can. Pet classes can't use their pets or they get crappy xp during the PL. So that leaves 6 out of 14 classes - War, Rog, Monk, Ranger, Paladin, SK - in which its arguable who can provide a faster PL.

Also with a good monk PLing they can attack down to 1 or 2% and then FD - providing constant DPS (I do around 90-95 dps without buffs or disc). For you to PL you have to do 49% or less dmg; the person being PLed has to do 51% or more. This means you are in essence capped at how fast you can powerlevel in relation to how fast the person you're PLing can kill - like you said a shaman PL is much more dependent on the person being power leveled. Therefore I would conceivable add a paladin and SK to the list of 8 classes I am 100% sure I can PL faster as their DPS is lower than other 4 melee.

I'm 100% sure I can PL 10/14 of the classes faster; the other 4/14 classes I am reasonably certain my PL would be faster. But I'm not 100% sure. Therefore I put this wager offer out there for anyone who wants to step up and see. I'd assume you'll choose one of the 30% of the classes that I'm not certain about.

It therefore seems ignorant to me that you would post on someone's EC thread that you're a faster PLer when it would only apply to 30% of the classes - and even then you're not even sure yourself if it would be faster for those 4 classes.

I await your wager and the challenge.