Game Mechanics: Sergeant slate assist radius too low

[Nirgon]

Young man, I have produced a screen shot and 2 posts. I put my thus far impeccable record of posting accurate bugs on the line and point to my signature (click my name) for proof of playing during this time period. The other characters I leveled or assisted in leveling were Trashuur and Ralmun who were both very twinked Shadowknights who leveled off these guards.

Further, this is an obvious one for a classic player who has sound memory of dealing with Slate.

You've voiced that you disagree with many of the points that I and other classic players I've spoken with prior to discussing would support.

This is up to Nilbog and Kanras to decide, go make a sandwich and cool out.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You aren't some classic everquest sage.

I am on some subjects sir and some mobs do have higher resists than others. For instance, the ancient cyclops in south ro was immune to fire which is not working here either. Another example, which I would debate if people would be having the same argument with me is the stone spider being immune to magic.

I didn't just use ice spear and draught of ice on the ancient cyclops in Velious because I felt like it, or didn't have sunstrike.

When we hash these out, I'll move on to other things on my check list in assisting this project.

In the meantime lazor, go spawn the stone spider and try magic on it... or try the same on a spite golem in plane of hate.

Class dismissed.

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you are aggro to a guard, sergeant slate has an enormous aggro radius. A distance from where Tolus spawns to about halfway to the opposite wall (where Nektulos forest is) is about accurate.

Needs researching on eqmac or maybe even eqlive. We do have the ability to add different assist radii for npcs. For example, the dragoons in Overthere have a much larger assist radius than aggro radius. Perhaps this is a similar situation.

[Nirgon]

If that counts as evidence for Slate, I'll see what I can get going.

I believe this should apply to all guards and the reason why it was very hard if not impossible in most areas on PvP servers to attack people in some parts of towns, whereas on EQemu I have been able to get away with murder pretty much anywhere.

[Palemoon]

Gonna have to agree, as a troll SK on rallos slate and guards in general killed me more times then I can count. Here, you can run between the troll guards flanking the tunnel leading to grobb and not get agro.

[Nirgon]

I'm going to dread setting up everything for EQ mac and grinding something (maybe a mage) to 24. Hopefully someone casting thorns in Unrest is ready to be pals.

I've spoken to people here and discovered slate is indeed light blue at level 60, so he's going to be a fun classic element to see returned [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.].

"Fuck! Slate!" (immediately begin strafe running and jumping)

Kaukaz, the warrior botb winner on Rallos, was the first player I saw xp on these guards. He did so with a PGT + bladed thulian claw =).

Slate was also notorious for "interrupting PvP" and saving the training robe of a many a newbie under a hail of fire bolts at inn 1.

The same goes for the resist rates on North Ro guards. It's gonna be hard to get a char to 50 I think on EQMac but maybe that will pay off in the future as I do research.

Originally Posted by Palemoon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Gonna have to agree, as a troll SK on rallos slate and guards in general killed me more times then I can count. Here, you can run between the troll guards flanking the tunnel leading to grobb and not get agro.

Yes! These specific guards were solo'd by druids for quite some time. I had the SK twink I mentioned before and a shaman I played a while (Rubum - his link is broken... damnit) make their starting money off looting their shields and necklaces, and even fine steel when the druid in question killed a last one and went to sell with full bags. Killing these troll guards was especially prevalent before the patch limiting damage done to kited NPCs by dots. In another patch, I noted that they are changed to be magic immune, regenerate insane hit points and receive a tremendous stat boost. Coming anywhere I'd say within... half of an offensive spell cast would cause the one you were closest to to aggro.. and then... well all of the ones on the left side came, sometimes even the ones on the right side under the other tent too iirc. Being able to walk right through them uninvis should jump off the page at some of you other old timers too.


Here is another mob I recall being extremely, extremely magic resistant regardless of level that isn't the stone spider or a spite golem:

Dorn in North Ro

Try fighting him here with a lvl 21 rogue in about classic gear and see if he either completely murders you or if it's a close fight:

I am a level 21 Rogue. If you are below 24, DO NOT FIGHT THIS GUY ALONE! I undinged from 20 to 19, 4 seperate times! He conned green to me! Also, I undinged once from the dragoon guy in West Commons. These two guys share one thing in common.. They are members of the Indigo Brotherhood. I hate the Indigo Brotherhood. Mwaahaaahaahhaa...just wait Dorn...soon I will be 30 and you will stand no chance! hahaha!!!!
-Alkuhol
Rogue of the 21st degree, Master Pickpoket

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Ok, here's the scoop. This guy hits for 30+ almost everytime. He is also very hard to hit. A group of 5 lvl 12+ can take him pretty easily, but don't go rushing into things. If not done right he'll slaughter ur whole group in a matter of seconds.

Perhaps someone can test him and make an NPC mechanic thread for him as well? I don't have a 20-24 rogue here to try its luck... but GMs can /level themselves and summon gear!

Hopefully this has caused some of your classic EQ senses out there to tingle a bit. Sergeant Slate, like him, is what we called an "undercon".

[Nirgon]

Any update on making Dorn and Slate badass?

Upgrading Slate's aggro range?

[Nirgon]

Bump slate aggro range? Have evidence in OP:

"It seems when you pull him by being in KOS range, Slate tends to join the fight more often than not, no matter how long its been since slate left.(guards have a more advanced telepath than an average NPC)."

Also the guard assist radius is brought up here (bolded 4u).

[Nirgon]

Ew you again.

You'll be lucky to find anything sometimes out there.

This one's well known [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.].

Let's say that druid is lvl 42. Try killing slate with a 42 druid here nuking with fire strike... you'll see a big difference between that screen shot result and this one.

More to the point Slate absolutely and definitely had a huge assist radius if you were messing with one of the other guards, and his aggro radius even if you weren't was also rather large.

Guards were special npcs pal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.].

[Nirgon]

Source

I kinda hit to kill this guy, on my de mage. It seems that tolus is much easier of a kill than reskin, because reskin is kind of in the middle of where slate walks, and whenever i attack reskin slate usually chases me away from outta no where =( anywho, yah when he has a weapon it is fs, and my highest amount of money loot is 3pp 8 gp and 8 sp and some cp.

Just watch out for Slate...

so i just cast away at this guy and hope slate isnt anywhere near

Now messing with the other guard, source

Sergent slate killed me SOO much, he could be all the way to the first inn and somehow knew I was killing his enlisted guard friend.

Almost every single post about Reskin and Tolus being killed mentions Slate having a huge assist radius.

Originally Posted by Potus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Interesting. Very interesting.