Game Mechanics: Game breaking raid issue: Sirran the Lunatic

[Nirgon]

You do realize that every mechanic is not spelled out in an Everquest patch note and there will be bugs unique to the emu code they have.

Certain bugs were also bugs that would have been fixed had they been DISCOVERED earlier in the time line.

There's a clear case for a game breaking bug that was used on classic for a very short period... but just because it was discovered in Luclin or later doesn't mean it needs to be in here.

[uygi]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You do realize that every mechanic is not spelled out in an Everquest patch note and there will be bugs unique to the emu code they have.

Certain bugs were also bugs that would have been fixed had they been DISCOVERED earlier in the time line.

There's a clear case for a game breaking bug that was used on classic for a very short period... but just because it was discovered in Luclin or later doesn't mean it needs to be in here.

Now you're talking about un-classic balance issues. That's Nilbog territory, so take it up with him. Many things on P99 aren't classic, most especially the player base and its knowledge of the game (and the game's future).

If you're going to post that something is a bug, you need evidence. If you've searched tirelessly and can't find any even though you're REALLY SURE, you can make a post politely requesting assistance.

[Nirgon]

I read what got this changed and if that's considered evidence... heh.

I have posted a detailed raid guide that mentions dictating and rapturing NPCs with absolutely no mention of using Sirran..

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I read what got this changed and if that's considered evidence... heh.

I have posted a detailed raid guide that mentions dictating and rapturing NPCs with absolutely no mention of using Sirran..

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

The guide you linked also discusses spirocs as having "small aggro", and the poster did not even know how to spawn Sister of the Spire. The poster also recommends just killing the left and right bee and just camping a cleric and coming back 80 minutes later to finish the boss solo. Hardcore mode I suppose. While he discusses being able to pull some mobs from various islands to the preceding islands and using charm on various mobs, such as the bees, he never once mentions we tried to charm Sirran and it resisted or said "cannot be charmed".

So how is this detailed guide evidence that Sirran is not charmable? If anything it would lead to an assumption that they didn't even try it.

[Nirgon]

Awaiting Kanras/Nilbog review of evidence.

Please try to post better evidence than this.

[Ele]

Yay, some actual evidence! Time to pull some teeth.


From page 1 of the http://www.angelfire.com/freak/eqjon...1/posguide.pdf

It is generally never a good idea to either duel or cast area effect damage or stun spells in Plane of
Sky. On the first island, dueling will aggro the quest based efreeti’s underneath in the quest room who will
begin death touching players and wiping out the raid very quickly. Dueling on Gorgalask Island will cause
passing MOBs to consider you free game and will begin attacking you immediately.

[Xanthias]

Also adding this:
Notice it is under RESOLVED ISSUES:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/ar...p/t-42673.html

Also RE: Him DT'ing
Never happened, he just hits so hard/fast seems that way

http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/n...10250469734748

[Xanthias]

From: http://www.therunes.net/g-charm.htm

Many Enchanters wonder about the why the fixed duration Dictate spell was even added. While the situations for its use are very limited, there are a few places this spell can be useful. The most noteworthy is Kael. The high level giants (55+) there are immune to all forms of Mez, but are still flagged as charmable. Dictate can be used in this situation as a 48 second crowd control spell. However, this spell outlived its usefulness back during Scars of Velious, and with the addition of the newer high level charms it has gone the way of the Dodo bird. Though, “Frozen Moses” and Sirran the Lunatic owned many a mob for the resourceful and daring back in the days of Velious. Ahhhh the memories of solo farming Shields' of the Void! But I digress, back to the guide. /wave Salidor

[Nirgon]

That poster from the runes is mistaken and "heard of it maybe".

This was incorrectly resolved.

I have raid guides that mention what is charmed as a strategy as well as the everlore data and more.

[quido]

"I'm the party pooper."