BDA TRAINS IN Castle Mistmoore

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They already do. If they catch you.

Training to the zoneline is a bannable offense now?

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Training to the zoneline is a bannable offense now?

Wow, it's like you perfectly described what the previous posts in this thread talk about.

[Paumad]

Nah. But disrupting a zone with no care for people complaints is subject to a warning from the staff or a snap on the wrist at least.

[Wotsirb401]

Project Boycott AE!

[Hasbinlulz]

My new main (in TMO) has an alt in BDA.

[Diggles]

my alt is an officer in BDA, plotting to break down the guild from the inside EVE style

[Heebo]

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My new main (in TMO) has an alt in BDA.

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[Kaym]

Following quotes are from BDA's website:

Originally Posted by Frimy

No idea where the people getting all negative in here are getting their information. I did 90% of the talking about this, Shinko did a sarcastic 10% of the /gu. Nobody has asked me what happened, so none of you probably have any idea whatsoever.

We need Ring of Scale faction for Kunark dragons, especially VP. Makes everything 10x easier, allows us to pull in ways that make it a lot harder for TMO to train us, etc. We went in to AE for faction.

I got there first, I told the zone AE pulls will be coming in from all points in the zone. They didn't entirely understand, but when I explained a little they thought that was fine. This was in the middle of the night... I think we started at 2-3AM or so EST. Shortly after we got there, the castle entrance group left, so then there was just a group at pond. We were AEing the whole upper part of the zone: ramp, castle upstairs/downstairs, the pit up to Black Dire, graveyard, catacombs-ish tunnels and the tower. After about an hour or so a group sets up at castle entrance, and there's an occasional OOC about people pulling mobs through their camp; IIRC I advised them to not worry because we were killing everything that came through. Then at a certain point Shinko, on Sussy, is out pulling and manages to die in the tower (for the moment I'll ignore how funny that is), and it seems most likely that some of his mobs pathed back through the zone and killed some people. Sussy dying was the end of any AE pulls, though we had mobs streaming around and straggling back to us for some time (and we stayed up and killed everything until no more came).

At this point Dirkk (Disarmonia) starts whining in OOC. I had no idea he was in BDA until his groupmate is OOCing that we're talking about the situation in guild chat. The whole time Disarmonia was being as inflammatory as possible and until the VERY end, well after an officer instructed him to send a tell instead of using OOC, he was whining at me in OOC and making a scene.

[Mon Aug 20 01:25:25 2012] Dirkk says out of character, 'You should probably stop pulling mobs everywhere'
[Mon Aug 20 01:25:35 2012] Hugoo says out of character, 'especially through our camp ty'
[Mon Aug 20 01:26:39 2012] Dirkk says out of character, 'I'm sure your faction warrants you ruining the zone for everyone else in it'
[Mon Aug 20 01:26:02 2012] You say out of character, 'We're AEing, we need mobs from all over the zone'
[Mon Aug 20 01:26:24 2012] Jaharan says out of character, 'i once got a suspension for doing what ur doing nuff said'
[Mon Aug 20 01:26:39 2012] Dirkk says out of character, 'I'm sure your faction warrants you ruining the zone for everyone else in it'
[Mon Aug 20 01:26:51 2012] Ozai says out of character, 'i dosent matter what ur doing . if an area is camped dont take the mobs . '
[Mon Aug 20 01:27:10 2012] You say out of character, 'We've been pulling it since before you got here'(Editors' note: we'd been camping the areas in question for around an hour at this point)
[Mon Aug 20 01:27:28 2012] Dirkk says out of character, 'Thats extremely relevant, you own the entire zone. Awesome.'
[Mon Aug 20 01:27:33 2012] Morphius tells the guild, 'dirkk is mayu being a dick in MM!! haha'
[Mon Aug 20 01:27:41 2012] You say out of character, 'You said dont pull camped mobs, just saying'
[Mon Aug 20 01:27:53 2012] You say out of character, 'I dont care what you pull, take whatever you want, we'll take the rest'
[Mon Aug 20 01:28:13 2012] Morphius tells the guild, 'well talk to him in guildchat!'
[Mon Aug 20 01:28:51 2012] Synik says out of character, 'and thats the issue, cause the group gets 1 pull, you get the rest, and it takes 20+ minutes for respawns'
[Mon Aug 20 01:29:07 2012] Hugoo says out of character, 'arguing with guildies in ooc is real nice to see about bda' (Editors note: I can only assume Dirkk is sharing info with the group in /g to make things worse. This is the point at which I realized somebody was in BDA.)
[Mon Aug 20 01:29:25 2012] Synik says out of character, 'they got so many members, they don't know who's who after a point =P'
[Mon Aug 20 01:29:53 2012] Wett says out of character, 'WTF' (Editors note: I believe this is right after Shinko died on Sussy)
[Mon Aug 20 01:29:56 2012] Wett says out of character, 'trained me'
[Mon Aug 20 01:30:21 2012] Sussy tells the guild, 'any cleric on?' (Editors note: Yep, Sussy just died.)
[Mon Aug 20 01:30:47 2012] You say to your guild, 'Whoever is complaining, apparently you're in BDA, you need to STFU. This AEing is raid related. Tell your friends to stfu too.' (Editors note: Clearly my mistake that the people involved would care that we're trying to help the guild or be even remotely interested in NOT making a public scene.)
[Mon Aug 20 01:30:49 2012] Wett tells you, 'thanks for aoe training me'
[Mon Aug 20 01:31:02 2012] You told Wett, 'Somebody died'
[Mon Aug 20 01:31:10 2012] You told Wett, 'I promise they're more pissed than you'
[Mon Aug 20 01:31:29 2012] Wett tells you, 'i died'
[Mon Aug 20 01:31:48 2012] You told Wett, 'Yeah, somebody in my group died, that's the only way aggro'd mobs will get let loose'
[Mon Aug 20 01:31:51 2012] Wett tells you, 'i dono why ur getn us killed...should prolly stop'
[Mon Aug 20 01:32:27 2012] Nuit shouts, 'bda you seriously trainign and killing all these lower levels in here and claim you have a right? Give me a break. Do you need me to get ambrotos or sirken over here?' (Editor's note: 57 TMO cleric came in, started spinning immediately)
[Mon Aug 20 01:32:32 2012] Jaharan shouts, 'you just trained the Ce group congrats suspensions....incoming' (Editor's note: I guess this is probably part of the same train from Sussy dying making its way back?)
[Mon Aug 20 01:32:42 2012] Wett tells you, 'i been soloin for this exp..not for a lvl 60 to get me killed...cmon'
[Mon Aug 20 01:32:57 2012] You told Wett, 'We'd be happy to rez you once we get a cleric run here'
[Mon Aug 20 01:33:24 2012] Dirkk tells the guild, 'So anything goes as long as it's "raid-related".'
[Mon Aug 20 01:33:42 2012] You say to your guild, 'I have question. Who are you?'
[Mon Aug 20 01:34:10 2012] Dirkk tells the guild, 'Why does that matter? It's no secret'
[Mon Aug 20 01:34:19 2012] Dirkk tells the guild, 'You just single handedly trained multiple groups'
[Mon Aug 20 01:34:47 2012] You say to your guild, 'Sussy died, his mobs got loose. Once, and he died too.'
[Mon Aug 20 01:34:58 2012] Dirkk tells the guild, 'Cool story, you killed probably 6+ people'
[Mon Aug 20 01:35:10 2012] Dirkk tells the guild, 'You don't own a zone just because you're farming faction'
[Mon Aug 20 01:36:04 2012] Dirkk tells the guild, 'This guild has always been about taking the moral high ground, and I'll tell you what... this doesn't seem like that.'
[Mon Aug 20 01:36:12 2012] Gamehendge tells the guild, 'what is the problem?'
[Mon Aug 20 01:36:17 2012] Gamehendge tells the guild, 'i died on sussy'
[Mon Aug 20 01:36:19 2012] Gamehendge tells the guild, 'in the tower'
[Mon Aug 20 01:36:24 2012] Gamehendge tells the guild, 'there is no way i trained anyone' (editor's note: Shinko being Shinko, I'm pretty the mobs did kill someone)
[Mon Aug 20 01:36:41 2012] You say to your guild, 'We've dropped zero aggro other than Sussy's death'
[Mon Aug 20 01:37:07 2012] Dirkk tells the guild, 'There have been random mobs running around the entire zone for the past 30 minutes, then a large train about 5 minutes ago' (editor's note: large train = Sussy death)
[Mon Aug 20 01:37:39 2012] Nuit shouts, 'any other groups die in that train?'
[Mon Aug 20 01:38:16 2012] Gamehendge tells the guild, 'there is no reason those running mobs will aggo you' (Editor's note: Remember Gamehendge is Shinko still)
[Mon Aug 20 01:38:30 2012] You say to your guild, 'If you have any suggestions we'd be happy to work with you'
[Mon Aug 20 01:38:43 2012] You shout..
[5:42:14 PM] Cody: 'Nobody is FDing, one person died one time'
[Mon Aug 20 01:39:06 2012] Hugoo shouts, 'if you cant take what you pull dont train it through other peoples camps'
[Mon Aug 20 01:39:28 2012] Jaharan says out of character, 'like i said.... i got a suspension for doing almost the same thing and it was in blackburrow.. so you guys need to chill out on it'
[Mon Aug 20 01:39:30 2012] Hugoo shouts, 'if you need to train the crap through the zone and thru everyones camps to kill it, maybe you shouldnt be here.'
[Mon Aug 20 01:40:03 2012] Jaharan says out of character, 'and i only ruined the zone for 1 guy'
[Mon Aug 20 01:40:10 2012] Jaharan says out of character, 'ur ruining it for multiple groups'
[Mon Aug 20 01:40:32 2012] Jaharan says out of character, 'you should probably stop or stay inside the castle'
[Mon Aug 20 01:40:34 2012] Nuit shouts, 'anyone else die?'
[Mon Aug 20 01:40:59 2012] Dirkk tells you, 'I don't really give a shit about this situation, but you have to realize that every casual in mistmoore right now thinks you guys are the scum of the earth' (Editor's note: Dirkk spinning in /g and /ooc would be the #1 biggest reason...)
[Mon Aug 20 01:41:42 2012] You told Dirkk, 'When we got here we checked with everyone, they thought it was cool. Anybody coming in after that can wait their turn. It's already the middle of the night.'
[Mon Aug 20 01:41:42 2012] Dirkk tells you, 'Running mobs causing chaos, you guys taking every mob in sight, and 10-15 just ran out of the castle for whatever reason and wiped CE'
[Mon Aug 20 01:41:51 2012] Dirkk tells you, 'Wait their turn?'
[Mon Aug 20 01:41:58 2012] Dirkk tells you, 'So you're camping an entire zone now?'
[Mon Aug 20 01:42:14 2012] Dirkk tells you, 'Jesus that sense of self-entitlement'
[Mon Aug 20 01:42:16 2012] You told Dirkk, 'We're camping whatever isn't dead.'
[Mon Aug 20 01:42:49 2012] You told Dirkk, 'I have no problem with however many mobs anyone pulls, even though we were here first'
[Mon Aug 20 01:43:08 2012] Dirkk tells you, 'Basically my point is theres nothing wrong with what you're doing according to server rules, but holy shit you're making this guild look like a bunch of tools.'
[Mon Aug 20 01:44:50 2012] You told Dirkk, 'For the first... hour? Nobody had a problem.'
[Mon Aug 20 01:45:05 2012] Dirkk tells you, 'Right, well obviously people have problems with it now, and should'
[Mon Aug 20 01:45:10 2012] Dirkk tells you, 'But you're still trying to justify it'
[Mon Aug 20 01:45:26 2012] Dirkk tells you, 'Regardless of that claim'
[Mon Aug 20 01:45:46 2012] You told Dirkk, 'There's nothing to justify'
[Mon Aug 20 01:48:33 2012] Dirkk tells you, 'Thats sad that you don't mind ruining other peoples experience on this game'
[Mon Aug 20 01:48:38 2012] Dirkk tells you, 'in favor of your faction farming'
[Mon Aug 20 01:48:59 2012] Dirkk tells you, 'It really is, considering the moral superiority BDA claims all the time'
[Mon Aug 20 01:59:26 2012] Jaharan says out of character, 'Myuharin says out of character, 'We're AEing, we need mobs from all over the zone' haha what a joke thats a juicy Screenshot'
[Mon Aug 20 02:02:34 2012] Jaharan says out of character, 'might as well have said WE DO AND TAKE AS WE PLEASE CAUSE WE ARE ABOVE EVERYTHING'

At this point Frimy and I are the only ones left from the AE faction group, and we both go to castle entrance and start PLing the group there. For the first few minutes Jaharn kept whining and screaming that helping him only makes us look worse. I told him that if we're upsetting his group we can leave, and then he shut up. Hugoo and the rest of the group certainly seemed to appreciate it. I would imagine Jaharn would too, since he's a cleric and AFK'd for like 30 minutes soaking up XP because Frimy and I were tanking.

Bolded relevant/funny portions. The sense of self-entitlement here is absolutely insane. It was only after being called out by multiple people and the various conversations above did they make any attempt to make things right. Instead of taking the high road and immediately apologizing and attempting to help the groups they trained, they're at arms and fully content shit-slinging. I don't think I ever heard them apologize personally to anybody, but I zoned out shortly after the first train. For the record, I was so busy typing to the guild and in tells to even say anything to the group after all this broke out. Don't try to make me out to be some "TMO spinner" or something. The only reason I said anything to begin with was BECAUSE the rest of my group was complaining.

My initial response was somewhat warranted as my group was wronged. The correct response would have been an apology, not escalating it and telling me to shut the fuck up... so that's on you.

Originally Posted by Kagok

You guys bitching cause he got a AoE group going? Even talked it over with people in zone and tried to do it the right way. Disarmonia the same guy who was running around KC p lvling pulling mobs from 3 different spots then bitched at me for pulling mobs near him. Double standards.

Wrong. I told you I was camping captain when myself and the person I was powerleveling were both sitting there. You were trying to snipe mobs from upstairs so I kindly told you it was camped. I'm not sure how this is relevant at all, though, apples to oranges.

Originally Posted by Chest

So obviously this was grossly blown out of proportion, sounds like some people got caught up in the TMO spin. Let this be a lesson to everyone to get all sides of the story before you start dictating behavior from the morale high ground

Getting all sides of the story = kicking from the guild and deleting posts on the forums? Got it. You guys talk about TMO spin like you don't do this shit yourself. Go read the I Blame Shinko thread and tell me what Frimy and others are doing. Talking trash and not even allowing me to explain or defend myself. For the record, deleting that initial post is the only reason any of this is getting posted in RNF.

Don't like a post on BDA forums? Delete it and remove forum access. Don't like RNF? Tell people they're getting kicked if they post. For those still in BDA: I'd be more concerned with the censorship and how quickly they completely shit on one of their members without looking back than what TMO's up to.

Originally Posted by Chest

the majority of the drama involved over this was coming from TMO twinks and a TMO cleric. It sounded like an honest mistake that they wiped and it escalated quickly with Disarmonia. I don't blame myu for the way he spoke to him since it was clear Disarmonia (Dirkk) was going to be combative no matter what.

It sounds like Myu did his due diligence before AEing the zone down (everyone was ok with it earlier when no one else was around) other people showed up and the lowbies decided they were entitled to the zone.

There's a big difference between my actions and obvious TMO trolling. It would be fine and dandy if it was one wipe/train and they apologized immediately after. They didn't, and it wasn't just one train. Not only were they taking literally every mob in the zone, but there were constantly sub-20% mobs running around. If you or anyone expects a lowbie to enjoy that scenario you're out of your mind. For instance, it's the same as a swarming bard kiting his social mobs near you. Sure, it's not against the rules, but it's pretty retarded because you know if he makes a mistake, you're going to pay for it.

Re-read the bolded section above. Really? When the zone was emptier, nobody really cared. Are you John Madden? Then lowbies showed up, attempting to do a singular camp for EXP, and they think they're entitled to the zone. There are so many things wrong with this I don't even know where to start. I suppose by this logic I could take my Shaman to Blackburrow and camp the entire zone as long as it started empty. When that one lowbie who wants elite ledge strolls in I can tell him to fuck right off, right?

Also, many of you made it seem like I was trying to hide who I was. I willingly offered my mains name, and even reminded you to remove forum access/batphone. You only have yourselves to blame.

TLDR: Hypocrisy, lots of it. Being trained and told to shut the fuck up about it in guild. Kicked and attempt to sweep it under the rug.

[Diggles]

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[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Kaym [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Following quotes are from BDA's website:



Bolded relevant/funny portions. The sense of self-entitlement here is absolutely insane. It was only after being called out by multiple people and the various conversations above did they make any attempt to make things right. Instead of taking the high road and immediately apologizing and attempting to help the groups they trained, they're at arms and fully content shit-slinging. I don't think I ever heard them apologize personally to anybody, but I zoned out shortly after the first train. For the record, I was so busy typing to the guild and in tells to even say anything to the group after all this broke out. Don't try to make me out to be some "TMO spinner" or something. The only reason I said anything to begin with was BECAUSE the rest of my group was complaining.

My initial response was somewhat warranted as my group was wronged. The correct response would have been an apology, not escalating it and telling me to shut the fuck up... so that's on you.



Wrong. I told you I was camping captain when myself and the person I was powerleveling were both sitting there. You were trying to snipe mobs from upstairs so I kindly told you it was camped. I'm not sure how this is relevant at all, though, apples to oranges.



Getting all sides of the story = kicking from the guild and deleting posts on the forums? Got it. You guys talk about TMO spin like you don't do this shit yourself. Go read the I Blame Shinko thread and tell me what Frimy and others are doing. Talking trash and not even allowing me to explain or defend myself. For the record, deleting that initial post is the only reason any of this is getting posted in RNF.

Don't like a post on BDA forums? Delete it and remove forum access. Don't like RNF? Tell people they're getting kicked if they post. For those still in BDA: I'd be more concerned with the censorship and how quickly they completely shit on one of their members without looking back than what TMO's up to.



There's a big difference between my actions and obvious TMO trolling. It would be fine and dandy if it was one wipe/train and they apologized immediately after. They didn't, and it wasn't just one train. Not only were they taking literally every mob in the zone, but there were constantly sub-20% mobs running around. If you or anyone expects a lowbie to enjoy that scenario you're out of your mind. For instance, it's the same as a swarming bard kiting his social mobs near you. Sure, it's not against the rules, but it's pretty retarded because you know if he makes a mistake, you're going to pay for it.

Re-read the bolded section above. Really? When the zone was emptier, nobody really cared. Are you John Madden? Then lowbies showed up, attempting to do a singular camp for EXP, and they think they're entitled to the zone. There are so many things wrong with this I don't even know where to start. I suppose by this logic I could take my Shaman to Blackburrow and camp the entire zone as long as it started empty. When that one lowbie who wants elite ledge strolls in I can tell him to fuck right off, right?

Also, many of you made it seem like I was trying to hide who I was. I willingly offered my mains name, and even reminded you to remove forum access/batphone. You only have yourselves to blame.

TLDR: Hypocrisy, lots of it. Being trained and told to shut the fuck up about it in guild. Kicked and attempt to sweep it under the rug.

doesn't matter which group was in the zone first or what their intentions are, when another group shows up, they get access to a camp if it's available. If group A has the zone on lockdown and group B shows up, Group A has to allow Group B a camp that group A doesn't want.

Aka, No one group can hog an entire zone. This rule has been around for years, BDA should be more than aware.