Zimmerman / Martin Shooting

[Asher]

Refresh my memory, what did Tray Martin do to break the law? Was it illegal for him to be walking down the street in a hoodie with some skittles?

I don't think you get to walk down the street harassing people and then say you felt threatened by some kid half your age so you had to kill him.

Asher

[LordFresh]

Originally Posted by Asher [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Refresh my memory, what did Tray Martin do to break the law? Was it illegal for him to be walking down the street in a hoodie with some skittles?

I don't think you get to walk down the street harassing people and then say you felt threatened by some kid half your age so you had to kill him.

Asher

From what we know and Zimmerman took a lie detector test on - Martin took it from verbal to fist. He also continued to break the law by continuing to hit Zimmerman when he was down (mounted him). Zimmerman (possibly) broke the law when he shot Martin. If someone comes up to us with a "problem" that doesnt give us the ability to assult them.

I know if some dude came up to me and said "WTF are you doing here". I would be like "relax - im here staying with my parents etc.

Whenever someone talks of Martin they dont talk about the confrontation and how he handled it. They automatically resort to "he had skittles and ice tea, is that wrong?" . Im not talking about his candy or choise of drink. I am talking about the confrontation that led to a fight that led to a death.

I dont think I would ever assult someone unless they threw on my first or made a comment about my dog. Fucking love my dog brew hehe.

[SamwiseBanned]

this is hilarious

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQHdbW36XjE

white kids get to trash a car without anyone saying anything, at the same time people were calling the cops on sleeping black kids at the same location as the car getting trashed lol

[Asher]

Originally Posted by LordFresh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From what we know and Zimmerman took a lie detector test on - Martin took it from verbal to fist. He also continued to break the law by continuing to hit Zimmerman when he was down (mounted him). Zimmerman (possibly) broke the law when he shot Martin. If someone comes up to us with a "problem" that doesnt give us the ability to assult them.

I know if some dude came up to me and said "WTF are you doing here". I would be like "relax - im here staying with my parents etc.

Whenever someone talks of Martin they dont talk about the confrontation and how he handled it. They automatically resort to "he had skittles and ice tea, is that wrong?" . Im not talking about his candy or choise of drink. I am talking about the confrontation that led to a fight that led to a death.

I dont think I would ever assult someone unless they threw on my first or made a comment about my dog. Fucking love my dog brew hehe.

Unfortunately, lie detector tests means nothing in a court of law.
Zimmerman definitely started the harassment. None of us will know who said what and who threw the first punch.

We do know that Zimmerman was about twice the age of the kid if I recall correctly. Zimmerman insisted on starting this confrontation after he was told not to, I don't care who it was on the phone at 911 but they had way more authority than he did.

What he did was wrong and he should and will be punished for it. We don't need vigilantes running around our neighbourhoods with guns trying to protect us from people that are suspicious (Black). If you see something you report it to the police and let the authorities deal with it.

Asher

[Lucky]

when some random person is bashing your skull into the concrete and reaches into your waist band at your conceal carry firearm while you are losing consciousness, you should probably kill them b4 they kill u. He only fired once too. American hero

[Asher]

Originally Posted by SamwiseBanned [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this is hilarious

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQHdbW36XjE

white kids get to trash a car without anyone saying anything, at the same time people were calling the cops on sleeping black kids at the same location as the car getting trashed lol

Black people are inherently scary. I think we should all be able to shoot them if they are in our neighbourhoods. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Asher

[LordFresh]

Ashur I dont think you are wrong, you bring up some good points. Morally I believe Zimmerman will have to live with himself after making a bad choice (getting out of the fucking car).

Legally I believe the law supports Zimmerman. I also believe thats why he wasnt immediately arrested.

You say that we dont know who started the confrontation - that is true if it isnt on video it didnt happen. We do know that lie detector tests are 87.5% accurate from the surveys I have seen. They arent used in court because they can be wrong. We have a good chance (not 100%) that Zimmerman was right about what happened that night. Although it cannot be used in court as proof - believe me the lawyers will bring it up to the jurors as support of what happened.

We do know Zimmerman was assulted - no way to deny that from Martins camp. What Martins people are constantly refering to is the choise of beverage and snack instead of actually saying "Martin felt threatened and felt he needed to fight for his life". I am 32 years old and I have been in roughly 3 "real" fights. That is either good luck or I dont throw punches unless I need to. I personally feel like Zimmerman was looking to see what the kid was doing and Martin was trying to be "tough". Both arent a crime but throwing a punch is a crime and mounting and pushing someones head into concrete is.

Legally though I dont see how they can put a murder charge on him. How is it possible?

Manslaughter :the unlawful killing of a human being without malice aforethought.
Murder: Intent to kill another human

I dont think any of us agree that when he got out of the car that night or got into a car to head to "target" he intended to kill the guy walking around suspiciously.

[SamwiseBanned]

so all i gotta do to shoot someone is bash my head against the cement? damn maybe it is time i get a gun to protect myself from people with guns.

[tops419]

The MOST important fact is this:
It doesn't matter what Zimmerman was doing, unless he assaulted Martin or trespassed on Martin's property, which he didn't. Martin is wrong for assaulting Zimmerman
You start beating someone up for any reason other than they're beating you up, you put yourself in danger.
If Zimmerman had been out for blood that night, I think the weapon would have come into play alot earlier, not after the ass-kicking he sustained.
Killing another person comes with a high price whether its justified or not, and that's something he will have to carry with him forever. (I've got a tour in OEF to assure you of that)

As far as all the "he's black" stuff goes. Blacks commit more crimes. Whether that's due to socioeconomic circumstances or what, its true. Just like it's true that there are more absentee black fathers. These things are facts.
In the future, circumstances will probably change and the race as a whole will emerge from the current situation (civil rights only became law what, 40 years or so ago?)
For now, the current state of things have made a large portion of blacks, especially young males desperate.
Bill Cosby, Barrack Obama, Steve Harvey, Colin Powell. All of these guys have come out and acknowledged these challenges facing the black community.
Ignoring a problem only makes it worse. ( see Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton....)
Come join the rest of us in the real world Asher

[Alawen]

ITT: Racists don't need to wear Klan costumes to be easily identified.