EC Tunnel, Bring it back yes or no?

[mitic]

id love to see bazaar implemented

[Omnimorph]

I disagree. The bazaar in EQ was tremendously flawed. Having to stay logged on as a trader to sell stuff? Just seems stupid to me. Being a pain in the ass to sell things means for a more aggressive economy. People don't have time to stand around auctioning all day so prices fluctuate more. Means you can grab bargains!

oh.... and errr... not classic etc.

[Weekapaug]

Originally Posted by Omnimorph [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I disagree. The bazaar in EQ was tremendously flawed. Having to stay logged on as a trader to sell stuff? Just seems stupid to me. Being a pain in the ass to sell things means for a more aggressive economy. People don't have time to stand around auctioning all day so prices fluctuate more. Means you can grab bargains!

oh.... and errr... not classic etc.

Just to play devil's advocate, the one thing it does do is it allows buyers and sellers alike to comparatively shop and price goods using actual prices for active potential sales rather than what people say in a chat channel.....It lessens the ability of trolls and the unscrupulous traders to mislead and take advantage of newbies and those who are generally uninformed about current pricing. And it creates a more competitive trading environment, beyond making bad behavior less fruitful.

Over the weekend I saw in /auction and /ooc at least 3 discussions about people taking advantage of sellers of certain items becuase they were essentially uninformed of current prices for those particular items. If there had been a bazaar they could have searched, I highly doubt any of that would have happened.

And as far as "pain in the ass" goes....I find having to wait for enough people to to /auction what you are looking for, figuring out the correct price, waiting for them to log on and get to the same zone as you at the same time, etc etc etc VASTLY more a pain in the ass than having to leave a bazaar mule up while I sleep. For a big ticket item, if you don't know what you are doing, it would behoove you to wait a few days before deciding on a trade....Kind of silly, IMO. And, it cuts into your playtime immensely. In the bazaar, you can set up a buy or a trader to do it for you while you sleep.

And yes, yes, I know that people have been noststalgic for EC and haggling, and meeting at first torch, shady, etc.....I can't speak for anyone else, but after about a week of it, the novelty has worn off and I would really love to just be able to goto a zone, find what I'm looking for, buy it, bank it, and move on without having to coordinate travel, meeting people, etc. Bear in mind, that the existence of the bazaar never, and has never, prevented anyone from doing all of what we are currently doing in /auction.

This debate is as "classic" as anything else. Many people didn't like the bazaar when it went in. It's a legitimate debate but, my personal impression at the time, was that those screaming the loudest about it also tended to be the fulltime farmers and traders who were known for misleading and shafting people on trades. And it makes sense, because they are the ones with the most to lose by having a bazaar for all of the reasons listed above.

All of that said, though, I'm not sure I would support having the bazaar here. As much as I would love it, it really just isn't classic. For the record, I'm no purist...I would love to see some of the bullshit limitations go, like no chat channels, no lfg tool, no shared bank, no autoconsents, etc....Really everything but the in-game map because that's about the only thing of the sort that really deviates actual gameplay from the classic experience (although I could see a good argument for not having the shared bank to an extent). I think they are things that would have been in the original game had the devs had the insight of a couple years of the live game and had the resources to implement them at the time, but required a few years of polishing to make it in, like you find in most games....But the bazaar fundementally changes the way trading is done and wasn't in the classic era.

Just my opinion. I do think the bazaar was indeed an improvement on the game and ultimately benefited everyone, but it's just not classic in a big way so it's probably not approprate for this server, even though I would probably love having it.

[Ektar]

Karkar, why don't we just institute the PoK books? Those were very strategically located. But even better we can just make them warp pad type things so all you have to do is step on it like a zoneline - clicking is kinda a hassle, you know? This will also help with people getting around and stuff. We won't have to wait on TLers anymore or any of that garbage.. it's just more convenient is all, you know?

[mitic]

pop books would dumb the game down and make traveling investment and player interactions for ports equal null

its different with bazaar, i completely concur with weekapaug

[karsten]

me too

and i don't see what's so wrong about PoK books too, really cuts down on everyone needing to /auc for ports all the time

[mitic]

while we are debating those srs issues let me bring up a new idea

what about epic weapon vendors: yes, no, maybe

discuss

[karsten]

umm, those weren't classic dude

[mitic]

sei doch nicht so engstirnig und erweitere deinen horizont dgeeezus.....

[karsten]

noe tut mir leid, als jetziger deutscher muss ich mich streng an den vorschriften halten