Are we not here for the same reasons?

[SearyxTZ]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you would have everyone lose months of progress, wipe the server with Kunark being released in 2 months... and then what? What happens to legacy items? Do you have some brilliant plan for those too? When do Fear and Hate get released? When does Sky get released? You can't space these out in any fair way if you have a pre-kunark period lasting only 2 months. Also, anyone who spent 10+ days leveling a character to 50 ends up losing everything and wasting their time. Therefore most people won't be interested in investing in the next box because they know their characters aren't necessarily safe from being wiped. Horrible idea.

Oh, ok. Keep playing with the other 9 people then + stubbornly defending blue server ideology as if it applies to red. You've clearly got your finger on the pulse of things.

I guess you can just scratch your head and wonder when you see the other shitbox down in the standard servers list has 5x the server pop.



I don't expect my suggestion to really be considered anyway.

[SearyxTZ]

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[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by SearyxTZ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, ok. Keep playing with the other 9 people then + stubbornly defending blue server ideology as if it applies to red. You've clearly got your finger on the pulse of things.

I guess you can just scratch your head and wonder when you see the other shitbox down in the standard servers list has 5x the server pop.

I don't expect my suggestion to really be considered anyway.

Blue server ideology? Where in my post did I say anything that could be remotely construed as that? What does that even mean? Your idea is bad because it doesn't solve any of the problems with the server, it's unnecessary, and it would discourage future players from rolling because they'd be afraid of losing all their progress. Didn't I say this already? You never explained why wiping the server would help at all. All of the other suggestions you talked about could be implemented without a wipe. Dumb idea is still dumb. I don't expect you to understand that since you barely responded to any part of my post.

[Aenor]

Originally Posted by Pitborn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This could turn it around for P99 Red.

lol'd

[SearyxTZ]

Wolfram: Who is losing their progress here - the 10 people online? Should we just wait till that's 5? 0?


This server failed, hard - can we admit that? Good. It went from 700 to 10. It's done. Show's over.

Players like to start new/fresh (source: I ran VZTZ during its peak, have actually played previous red servers). If you launched with other features (adjusted exp) and an actual timeline, then players would want to start up here again. You label the past eight months as extended beta, which is what it has been, and write this off as a one-time only thing. Player trust isn't impacted because, again, no one is playing right now.

Still wouldn't work without active devs who care though. LoZ shitbox has that. This one doesn't. And since I don't have a brilliant solution for getting people to actually care: http://www.eqpvp.com/

[Bazia]

shitbox 4 lyfe, beats deadbox

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by SearyxTZ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wolfram: Who is losing their progress here - the 10 people online? Should we just wait till that's 5? 0?

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Players like to start new/fresh (source: I ran VZTZ during its peak, have actually played previous red servers). If you launched with other features (adjusted exp) and an actual timeline, then players would want to start up here again. You label the past eight months as extended beta, which is what it has been, and write this off as a one-time only thing. Player trust isn't impacted because, again, no one is playing right now.

Who's losing their progress, you ask? Well, me for one. I haven't logged in for weeks but I still don't want to lose my character in case the population turns around. I invested around 15 days of played time into my Bard and really enjoyed it. If the server wiped I wouldn't come back, and neither would a lot of people. I don't want to spend another minute grinding back up to 50, and I don't want to have the insecurity of knowing my character could be wiped at any moment. Some people are (naively I admit) waiting for Kunark, or PoSky, and still want their characters in tact even though they aren't online right now. That's too much of a risk to take just because you have some hunch that people "like a fresh start".

Let me try to make this simpler (I mean this in the least condescending way possible):

You have two choices, one is implementing a bunch of changes, the other is wiping and reopening with those changes implemented. If the changes you implement are good enough to bring people back after wiping, then they're good enough to bring people back if you don't wipe. You just need to bring lots of people back at once, which means you need to advertise the changes well beforehand. Wiping isn't necessary and will just deter many players from rerolling and investing their time into the server. Rogean said "we're never going to do a wipe", so people would lose trust if he suddenly wiped the server.

Also, give up on LoZ, and stop advertising it on these forums. It's a waste of your time to roll on a server whose population will never hit triple digits (even with boxing allowed). At least red99 is salvageable due to having years of dev work put into it and not being colossally buggy.

[Bazia]

LoZ has a GROWING population, something red hasnt had in months.

Also it's not nearly as buggy as you are desperately trying to make it sound like it is.

[SearyxTZ]

Who's losing their progress, you ask? Well, me for one. I haven't logged in for weeks but I still don't want to lose my character in case the population turns around. I invested around 15 days of played time into my Bard and really enjoyed it. If the server wiped I wouldn't come back, and neither would a lot of people. I don't want to spend another minute grinding back up to 50, and I don't want to have the insecurity of knowing my character could be wiped at any moment. Some people are (naively I admit) waiting for Kunark, or PoSky, and still want their characters in tact even though they aren't online right now. That's too much of a risk to take just because you have some hunch that people "like a fresh start".

Let me try to make this simpler (I mean this in the least condescending way possible):

You have two choices, one is implementing a bunch of changes, the other is wiping and reopening with those changes implemented. If the changes you implement are good enough to bring people back after wiping, then they're good enough to bring people back if you don't wipe. You just need to bring lots of people back at once, which means you need to advertise the changes well beforehand. Wiping isn't necessary and will just deter many players from rerolling and investing their time into the server. Rogean said "we're never going to do a wipe", so people would lose trust if he suddenly wiped the server.

Also, give up on LoZ, and stop advertising it on these forums. It's a waste of your time to roll on a server whose population will never hit triple digits (even with boxing allowed). At least red99 is salvageable due to having years of dev work put into it and not being colossally buggy.

I think you're hopelessly out of touch with the red playerbase to the point of naivete, and have not acknowledged that the population isn't going to magically come back because of a PvE content release or cramming more zones/grind into a server that doesn't need them. Time to be more open-minded about this.

My assumptions on player interest aren't "a hunch" - it's years of experience on the pvp servers that came before this one. Do you really think a restart wouldn't pique interest and spike/multiply the population, at this point? Yes, you reach the point where player trust/security is impacted (VZTZ wiped too many times), but I wouldn't have suggested it if I thought that would be an issue. And at some point if this server is to be salvaged, something has to be done. What's your solution.... release Kunark?


I agree that LoZ is pretty god damn buggy. I've also heard in the past that Devnoob is kind of shady, but at this point apparently more people are willing to trust him because he's at least active and communicative.

Your insistence on classic exp rate is what I meant when I said blue server ideology - you always argued in favor of that, and even admit that you'd hate to climb back up to 50 at the current rate. I would, too. The VZTZ exp rate should have been in on this server from the start. It's not even my personal preference. It's me talking to people who refused to play here because it was too slow and time consuming. That exp rate only works if you have a decent amount of players in most of the zones. Demanding that players here solo grind their way up just to see pvp is really shitty and unclassic.

[Bazia]

Searyx spitting dat fire