YT isn't the solution

[Darwoth]

sullon zek had a leaderboard, pretty good one that tracked kills, deaths, time, zone and even a daily point value based off of how many enemy tokens you had at the time.

[Vile]

Originally Posted by Darwoth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

leaderboards as well, currently the server is pointless to play on as it gets old killing the same nihilum zergers for the 800th time whereupon i get to sit and med for 10 minutes, having made them lose nothing for their death and having gained nothing for my victory.

at least yellow text and a leaderboard would provide some form of motivation.

A leaderboard, yea... that would be cool. It would need to be created in a way that it cannot be exploited, which would take some dev time away from some more important things.

I still don't see why YT is so important. We've all seen it on VZTZ.. people will camp nakeds and grief people on CRs and act like they're #1 when the YT is announced to the server.

Yes, I agree it's awesome when a real mass PvP fight is going down, or even the rare legit group PvP but other than that it's just used a griefing tool.

As I've already said, if its so important to you people, just post a screenshot of your kills on the forums... you guys are just gonna screen shot the YT anyway...

[Silikten]

Originally Posted by Darwoth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

leaderboards as well, currently the server is pointless to play on as it gets old killing the same nihilum zergers for the 800th time whereupon i get to sit and med for 10 minutes, having made them lose nothing for their death and having gained nothing for my victory.

at least yellow text and a leaderboard would provide some form of motivation.

Leaderboards are stupid and skewed. They prove nothing. Case in point, Solid. The guy was awful yet farmed alts for points to get that "i'm so l33t" ego.

Yellow text benefits in so many ways. Showing where pvp is, who is being griefed, exposes assholes who are ccing, and I'm sure theres a ton more.

Global ooc makes a serverwide trade channel and lfg.


Also, in regards to Vile. I have 36days played.

[Snufz]

Originally Posted by Silikten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Leaderboards are stupid and skewed. They prove nothing. Case in point, Solid. The guy was awful yet farmed alts for points to get that "i'm so l33t" ego.

Yellow text benefits in so many ways. Showing where pvp is, who is being griefed, exposes assholes who are ccing, and I'm sure theres a ton more.

Global ooc makes a serverwide trade channel and lfg.


Also, in regards to Vile. I have 36days played.

Considering VZTZ had YT, want to explain how Solid farmed alts with server wide broadcasts on who was slain?

[solid]

Originally Posted by Silikten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Leaderboards are stupid and skewed. They prove nothing. Case in point, Solid. The guy was awful yet farmed alts for points to get that "i'm so l33t" ego.

Yellow text benefits in so many ways. Showing where pvp is, who is being griefed, exposes assholes who are ccing, and I'm sure theres a ton more.

Global ooc makes a serverwide trade channel and lfg.


Also, in regards to Vile. I have 36days played.

Lol @ Silikten's mouth still affixed around my nutsack.

History lesson for people who didn't play VZTZ 2.0: VZTZ 2.0 was launched and no one knew PVP stats were being recorded, or that it had a functional leaderboard- i.e. no one farmed alts. I griefed retards like Silikten all day, and then when the inaugural leaderboard was released, I was head and shoulders above anyone else on the server. Wasn't a huge deal for a baller like myself, as it was obvious who the Alpha-male of the server was at that point; but neckbeards like Silikten still dwell on it, and still make up baseless accusations rationalizing how they had 1/3 my leaderboard score, even 2+ years later! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyway, while I can agree w/ bitter-nuthanger Silikten on some points, what he doesn't realize, and what should be addressed is: the VZTZ 2.0 leaderboard is not outcome determinative of how an actual leaderboard on a PvP server would function. Again, no one even knew it was operational.

So: Did it offer a one-time look of purity into who the top PvPers on the server were w/o any garbage like score-padding? Yes.
Was a secret leaderboard compiling a score of any benefit to the server? No.

If you genuinely want to have a conversation about how an operational leaderboard would work, you should look to servers like Kings & Bandits that had fully functional leaderboards, and measures in place to prevent alt-farming and such.

Originally Posted by Snufz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Considering VZTZ had YT, want to explain how Solid farmed alts with server wide broadcasts on who was slain?

Exactly. Furthermore, there's no evidence of all of this alt-farming even though it was readily available to the hundreds that played during VZTZ's prime. Occam's Razor. Logic, deductive reasoning, and commonsense demonstrate why Silikten is just a bitter neckbeard. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[SanlavenTZ]

Originally Posted by Silikten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Leaderboards are stupid and skewed. They prove nothing. Case in point, Solid. The guy was awful yet farmed alts for points to get that "i'm so l33t" ego.

Yellow text benefits in so many ways. Showing where pvp is, who is being griefed, exposes assholes who are ccing, and I'm sure theres a ton more.

Global ooc makes a serverwide trade channel and lfg.

I agree with Big Silikten the Wise

[Beastro]

Originally Posted by Aenor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"The server pop sucks because it caters to the poop-socking, basement dwelling, 10+ hour days of grinding neck-beards."

Nope. The server pop sucks because they didn't ban people who were caught cheating. Who wants to invest all the effort required into a server that's not legit?

It's extremely short sighted of any staff to not enforce massive bans simply because they're afraid of depopulating their server. Time and time again it's been shown how letting it slide and being soft only results in the exact same outcome, it only taking a few months longer and leaving only the cheaters.

Originally Posted by Silikten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yellow text benefits in so many ways. Showing where pvp is, who is being griefed, exposes assholes who are ccing, and I'm sure theres a ton more.

Combined with global /ooc, it's a damn good conversation starter.

[Dubee]

Originally Posted by Silikten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Leaderboards are stupid and skewed. They prove nothing. Case in point, Solid. The guy was awful yet farmed alts for points to get that "i'm so l33t" ego.

Yellow text benefits in so many ways. Showing where pvp is, who is being griefed, exposes assholes who are ccing, and I'm sure theres a ton more.
Global ooc makes a serverwide trade channel and lfg.

I have never played any other emu's, and the only yellow text I am familiar with is from early 2000's /dueling.

However, I can imagine the following scenario:

Filthed corpse camping Bahamut in Guk.

Locations are not included in YT, so people start asking around, "Where is Filthed/Bahamut" (even people not in Holocaust or Founding Fathers because they want to kill Filthed/rescue Bahamut whatever..)

Finds out hes in Guk ice cometing a sweet innocent naked cleric at his bind.

Several guilds and independants arrive to Guk and some exciting PvP starts in multiple areas, between multiple guilds/independants.

Fun is had all around.

[Silikten]

Originally Posted by Dubee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have never played any other emu's, and the only yellow text I am familiar with is from early 2000's /dueling.

However, I can imagine the following scenario:

Filthed corpse camping Bahamut in Guk.

Locations are not included in YT, so people start asking around, "Where is Filthed/Bahamut" (even people not in Holocaust or Founding Fathers because they want to kill Filthed/rescue Bahamut whatever..)

Finds out hes in Guk ice cometing a sweet innocent naked cleric at his bind.

Several guilds and independants arrive to Guk and some exciting PvP starts in multiple areas, between multiple guilds/independants.

Fun is had all around.

Location was shown from the version of YT that I had. That's why I enjoy it.

I'm so glad I am not one of those lowlife scumbags who don't play this server but keep coming back to make posts about random bullshit.

[Zallar]

The problem with an even higher straight XP bonus is that it trivializes the investment of time required to level a character. This reduces the effectiveness of suspensions and bans. All the hardcore folks can push the limits of cheating / rule breaking because it would only take them a day or two to level up another character.

One way to increase XP for the casuals and not benefit the hardcore would be to have a small window of XP bonus based on last login time. For example, if you've been offline for 5 hours, then you get an XP bonus for the next 2 hours while you're online.