Game Mechanics: Summon interval (Howling Stones / all world)

[DoucLangur]

This here is the shortest time between 2 summons I have found in my log of the Combine (progression) server:

Sebilis:

[Sun Aug 20 22:22:06 2006] froglok ilis knight says 'You will not evade me Pollution!'
[Sun Aug 20 22:22:06 2006] Froglok ilis knight staggers.
[Sun Aug 20 22:22:06 2006] Gaseker staggers.
[Sun Aug 20 22:22:07 2006] Froglok ilis knight has taken 81 damage from your Bond of Death.
[Sun Aug 20 22:22:08 2006] Avicenna tells the group, 'i guess the other camp means i can pull the named from here easier'
[Sun Aug 20 22:22:09 2006] Froglok ilis knight staggers.
[Sun Aug 20 22:22:09 2006] Gaseker staggers.
[Sun Aug 20 22:22:11 2006] Avicenna tells the group, 'Incoming Complete Healing to >>> Pollution <<<'
[Sun Aug 20 22:22:11 2006] Avicenna begins to cast a spell.
[Sun Aug 20 22:22:12 2006] Keldonis tells the group, 'yeah lets help him get a robe'
[Sun Aug 20 22:22:13 2006] Froglok ilis knight has taken 84 damage from your Bond of Death.
[Sun Aug 20 22:22:15 2006] You begin casting Screaming Terror.
[Sun Aug 20 22:22:16 2006] You tell your party, 'a sebilite golem mezzed'
[Sun Aug 20 22:22:16 2006] froglok ilis knight says 'You will not evade me Pollution!'

The Ruins of Old Paineel:

[Fri Aug 25 01:48:45 2006] Your Screaming Terror spell has worn off of a rock golem.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:45 2006] a rock golem says 'You will not evade me Maliciosa!'
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:45 2006] You have been summoned!
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:45 2006] A rock golem hits YOU for 126 points of damage.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:45 2006] A rock golem hits YOU for 224 points of damage.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:46 2006] A flighty fiend has taken 23 damage from your Splurt.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:46 2006] Xonann bashes a rock golem for 10 points of damage.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:48 2006] Xonann hits a rock golem for 20 points of damage.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:48 2006] A rock golem hits YOU for 135 points of damage.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:48 2006] A rock golem hits YOU for 197 points of damage.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:49 2006] Rusten tells the group, 'yeah my bad thought iwas casting tap'
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:49 2006] A flighty fiend bashes YOU for 19 points of damage.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:49 2006] Tuazen begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:50 2006] Xonann hits a rock golem for 36 points of damage.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:50 2006] Xonann tells you, 'I am unable to wake a flighty fiend, master.'
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:50 2006] Taunting attacker, Master.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:51 2006] You begin casting Feign Death.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:51 2006] A flighty fiend has taken 36 damage from your Splurt.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:51 2006] a flighty fiend has been awakened by Maliciosa.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:52 2006] A flighty fiend hits YOU for 33 points of damage.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:52 2006] You regain your concentration and continue your casting.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:53 2006] an elemental wizard begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:53 2006] Xonann hits a rock golem for 47 points of damage.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:53 2006] Xonann hits a rock golem for 47 points of damage.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:54 2006] Tuazen hit a flighty fiend for 855 points of non-melee damage.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:54 2006] A flighty fiend screams as a magic force rends their flesh.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:55 2006] Xonann hits a rock golem for 13 points of damage.
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:56 2006] a flighty fiend begins to use a rock golem as a living shield!
[Fri Aug 25 01:48:56 2006] a rock golem says 'You will not evade me Destructioner!'

Plane of Hate:

[Fri Sep 01 00:16:04 2006] a loathling lich says 'You will not evade me Velvetmoon!'
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:04 2006] a loathling lich begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:05 2006] A loathling lich's body begins to splurt.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:05 2006] A loathling lich looks angry.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:06 2006] Taunting attacker, Master.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:06 2006] a loathling lich regains concentration and continues casting.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:06 2006] You resist the Immobilize spell!
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:07 2006] A loathling lich has taken 136 damage from your Ignite Blood.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:07 2006] A loathling lich has taken 11 damage from your Splurt.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:08 2006] a loathling lich begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:08 2006] Uggme staggers.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:08 2006] A loathling lich staggers.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:09 2006] a loathling lich begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:10 2006] Uggme scores a critical hit! (35)
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:11 2006] Velvetmoon begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:11 2006] Your feet adhere to the ground.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:12 2006] Taunting attacker, Master.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:13 2006] Kebarn backstabs a loathling lich for 80 points of damage.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:13 2006] A loathling lich has taken 127 damage from your Ignite Blood.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:13 2006] A loathling lich has taken 23 damage from your Splurt.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:13 2006] a loathling lich begins to cast a spell.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:14 2006] Kebarn hits a loathling lich for 22 points of damage.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:14 2006] A loathling lich staggers.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:14 2006] Kebarn staggers.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:14 2006] Kebarn hits a loathling lich for 44 points of damage.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:14 2006] Kebarn hits a loathling lich for 17 points of damage.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:15 2006] Velvetmoon hit a loathling lich for 571 points of non-melee damage.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:15 2006] A loathling lich's mind warps.
[Fri Sep 01 00:16:15 2006] a loathling lich says 'You will not evade me Velvetmoon!'

Of course this doesn't prove the interval can't be shorter, and I could forge it - but I ask everyone to check their log files for any summon interval less than 10 seconds by the same mob (please make sure it isn't 2 mobs of the same name summoning [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just analyzed 115 MB of 2005/06 Logfiles from Antonius Bayle and The Combine (Progression):
- filtered lines with "will not evade" into a text file
- opened in OpenOffice Calc as text import, columns separated by space
- created 4 new columns with:
a) timespan between previous and current summon
b) timespan between current and next summon
c) filter column to have value 1 when either timespan is less than 12 seconds
d) column with the smaller value of a) and b) to hold the smallest timespans between summons

I then looked through all lines that had a value of 1 in column c) and thus an interesting summon time:
The *only* mob I have found pre-Planes of Power with a summon interval of less than 10 seconds was Cazic Thule in the revamped (epics) Plane of Fear: he summons in 6 second intervals.

Am happy to provide logfile extracts with the summon lines - am still looking for older logfiles, but I may have lost them in a HD crash.

[DoucLangur]

That being said and seeing the responses posted in the meantime: Rogean, it's your server - so do as you like. I pointed it out because I was sure (and after analyzing my logfiles am convinced) that the classic summon interval was higher (apparently 10 seconds), and because I understand we're striving to be as classic as possible here.

My "job" is only to point out non-classic mechanics/find evidence - not to decide what to implement.

Nevertheless, I would like to see it implemented, as it is *quite* different gameplay and I like to compare my achievements here with the live achievements back then - it's not as much fun needing a bigger force than I used to for the same content.

Kind Regards & stop responding to me when you're supposed to be enjoying christmas eve [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] (appreciated though)

Slozem

[Versus]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll save you some time and say now that even if you did find proof that it was 11, it's unlikely I would change it. As we get closer to velious and mobs that will be permarooted, the tactic of summon kiting will be utilized, and increasing the duration would trivialize many encounters. Even without permaroot it would still be an issue for many encounters.

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll save you some time and say now that even if you did find proof that it was 11, it's unlikely I would change it. As we get closer to velious and mobs that will be permarooted

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As we get closer to velious.

[Odonk]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll save you some time and say now that even if you did find proof that it was 11, it's unlikely I would change it. As we get closer to velious and mobs that will be permarooted, the tactic of summon kiting will be utilized, and increasing the duration would trivialize many encounters. Even without permaroot it would still be an issue for many encounters.

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Mostly Classic Everquest

[Uthgaard]

Except that the 6 second implementation is correct.

Originally Posted by Odonk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Mostly Classic Everquest

Mostly fail statement.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Uthgaard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Those tactics are valid in a 6 second interval. I used to do it, that's how I know that the 6 second interval is correct without needing to look it up. The inaccurate portion is the assumption that everyone and their brother should be able to do it effortlessly, with their mouths hanging open and mashing random buttons.

It's hard to do, and not everyone will be able to get the gear to make it possible, and have the reaction time or know all of the tricks necessary to make it work.

actually the mob speed and hit boxes along with a 6sec summon is why it's not practical on p99.

It's possible that It can be done (look at the learning curve of kiting bards). However, from a necro standpoint, it is more trouble than it's worth trying to use any of those tactics with a summoning mob. It would be more efficient to use a different tactic rather than trying to yoyo a summoning mob on p99.

[Rais]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll save you some time and say now that even if you did find proof that it was 11, it's unlikely I would change it. As we get closer to velious and mobs that will be permarooted, the tactic of summon kiting will be utilized, and increasing the duration would trivialize many encounters. Even without permaroot it would still be an issue for many encounters.

You maybe thinking of Shadows of Luclin. The only mob that ended up being rooted in Velious was Vulak`Aerr and that was months after the expansion went live when they made him into a "spawnable" dragon.

Tormax, AoW+spawn cycle, Dain, Sleeper Tombs Guardians, Djokojjonmnasaijai whateverhis name was, every other dragon in ToV weren't rooted.

Shadow's of Luclin Ssra temple Snake mini bosses, and even Seru were perma rooted at the start of the expansion, but it was removed since they wouldn't summon at all. I think they re-enabled them being rooted but not 100%.

[Reikerx]

Yeah I can't remember any Velious mobs being perma-rooted either.

[DoucLangur]

Originally Posted by Reikerx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah I can't remember any Velious mobs being perma-rooted either.

Oh there were a couple of dragons in NToV - and WToV... and I believe even one or two dragons in western wastes?

Also - Tunare in PoGrowth?

[Rais]

Nope everythig was pulled,or we moved into position and then pulled. We even pulled tunare to the wall so the knock back didn't wipe the raid.

You can even find videos of NTOV of every dragon training around on the inside due to vulak had to be killed last.

Nothing of major raid status was rooted in velious. I don't even recall anything at all that was.