Spells: Sword of Runes procrate Wrong

[Brinkman]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You use the words exploit, bug, and unlegit.

But, what you mean is, you disagree with the classic mechanics of npcs proccing sword of runes on non-summoned npcs.

That is an entirely separate discussion. Go, discuss. There are threads. If you can't find one; make it.

Originally Posted by mitic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lvl 50 players on red99 exploiting left and right on the server and they killed naggy unlegit with this bug

Here is part of the post I would hope someone would answer Nilbog. he might be wrong about the procing on non-summoned creatures, but the dps increase from this bug definatally brings into question recent Naggy, tranix, Rokyl kills.

I just want consistancy. We Delevel a guy who farmed a rare mob for 6 months straight on p99 preparing to do turn ins for kunark. The reason for the delevel was very clear " He should have known better, and reported it "

This needs to start being enforced. This after the fact fixing and not holding anyone accountable is killing morale of honest folk.

[Brinkman]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Or the issue with the -30 modifier applying to all mobs instead of only Summoned types? This is a violation of game mechanics, and if I had a mage, I'd be able to provide more data, but unfortunately must leave that to others.

The fact it procs on non- summoned, and the negative 30 resist adjust on all mob types is classic untill mid Kunark.

The proc rate was just wrong.

No, it does not make sense, but thats the way it was classically.

[Verdu]

Originally Posted by Brinkman [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This needs to start being enforced. This after the fact fixing and not holding anyone accountable is killing morale of honest folk.

It actually encourages people to not report bugs, but to actively abuse them.

Even honest players will see it as a way to level the playing field with people who abused their way up; And they will be right.

[mourning]

Originally Posted by Verdu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It actually encourages people to not report bugs, but to actively abuse them.

Even honest players will see it as a way to level the playing field with people who abused their way up; And they will be right.

[Brinkman]

Originally Posted by Verdu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It actually encourages people to not report bugs, but to actively abuse them.

Even honest players will see it as a way to level the playing field with people who abused their way up; And they will be right.

Wrong, I reported it, and i could have easily grabbed/bought some mage weapons while im exping and lvl 2x faster as I play a pet class.

If its obviously wrong, you report it. If you abuse it, and not report it, there should be punishment. If you loot tv's because everyone else is looting tv's that does not make it right.

[mourning]

You missed his point brinkman.

[Brinkman]

Originally Posted by mourning [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You missed his point brinkman.

I understand the point he was attempting to make. Standing alone it can make sense, but thats just a give up mentality. Just do the right thing. If punishment were actually being handed out, ppl would be scared crapless to abuse it " because other ppl are" And would Report it. If nothing would be done about people robbing banks, im sure more people would do it, and be less likely to call the cops if they see. The key is the punishment being fully known about. The argument goes both ways. Either way this thread should be locked, its fixed pending update. Conversation should continue elsewhere.

[mourning]

It is hard to compare real life to eq emu.

The GM's can't oversee everything always, people will always cheat, or exploit, or whatever.

[Brinkman]

Originally Posted by mourning [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is hard to compare real life to eq emu.

The GM's can't oversee everything always, people will always cheat, or exploit, or whatever.

I agree with you 100% here.

Thats why its even that much more important for players to submit bug reports so they can get this stuff fixed instead of playing the ... everyone else cheats card.

And when things of this magnitude are brought up openly ( in multiple threads ) And there is GM contact, they ( the gms ) should issue proper punishment. Whatever they feel it requires, so the playerbase understands its not ok.

[mourning]

Reposted from RNF:

Nilbog :

The way it works now IS classic and what should be in, it makes the swords a useful item that a mage can summon, cool feature.

The proc rate was set on pets too high, and it was thoroughly abused by most everybody that is now high level. Even abused to kill raid mobs.

What the problem is, is while the fix is a good idea in theory, it really penalizes the majority of the server who are just hitting level 29 and can just start to use the swords on their own pets.

These are the people who reported the bug, not the ones who have abused it for the last 3 weeks. The poopsockers knew it would play out this way, and chose to use it in a way that it will be nerfed when it "trickles down" further disadvantaging the common "Peon".

It either needs to stay in for now, or fix it and give something to the non poopsockers (exp bonus maybe?) A server wide bonus for a few days or perhaps some "hotzone" bonuses for all zones under level 40.