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[Truth]

Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change where they caught frauding to make it seem man-mad global warming is a real thing (hint: our carbon footprint is so irrelevant)

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Originally Posted by Truth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change where they caught frauding to make it seem man-mad global warming is a real thing (hint: our carbon footprint is so irrelevant)

[Messianic]

One of the biggest problems is people really don't understand how screwed up the banking system in the US really is. And it's not screwed up the way the OWS people think - it's actually a very managed, controlled system that blends government and banks seamlessly by flipping basic human choice (economics) on its head, establishing a godlike figure with supreme monetary authority, and enforcing the state's currency as the ultimate arbiter.

That may sound overstated or verbose, but check this out:

http://pragcap.com/resources/underst...onetary-system

I don't agree with it as the ideal monetary system and I find it very freaking orwellian, but these people have described the US' current system very accurately (with a few exceptions). The notable exception I take with this view of the modern system is that they believe they can actually "drive" the economy with the banking system without crashing it. The history of central planning in general and centrally planning something that involves the whole money supply is a dark one. No human being is just or moral enough to deserve to control the world's money and currency in whatever way they choose, if they are even able (which I dispute).

The US doesn't operate under anywhere near the same system that the EU and everyone else use. We have the first true "fiat" currency, complete with floating exchange rates - everyone else operates under sane, reasonable systems that are still loosely connected to essential reality - i.e. you must come close to balancing your budget or risk debt crises, you must tax to obtain revenues, banks must have enough deposits to cover in case of bank runs, etc.

The US' system is not so. It is entirely experimental (past 40 years experimental, compared to other systems which are still tethered to stuff we have centuries and sometimes millenia of experience with) and most congressmen don't even realize what makes it different from the rest of the world. That's part of what makes it so dangerous. No one realizes how much power the Fed has since we closed the gold window and began issuing the world's currency. The rules of banking have literally been turned inside out, like a negative image - but somehow people aren't seeing that it's a negative. Once people realize how coercive and subject to human corruption it is, it'll probably be too late to alter it.

If this system were applied globally, the person or people at the helm would literally have the power to control the world. That's what is probably on the horizon, and OWS folks will ultimately support it because it will be sold as an entity subject to complete government regulation. They don't realize it will be virtually identical to the current banking system in the US, where the Government and the Fed work hand in glove.

You see, traditionally, individual human choice always overrides government or management. In time, it always wins - if through lots of blood and sacrifice. People defy management by an outside source intuitively, even if they absolutely desire to obey it. Eventually, systems which oppress or harm the individual at the behest of some "elite" group are overturned - and when that overturning begins, the violence of the system becomes apparent.

As is written in the link provided - "don't question the currency, or else." Countries that have tried to or successfully priced their oil in euros (a challenge to the dollar) have been met with severe hostility or even CIA attempted coups or interference in their countries.

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Can we occupy GM island yet ?

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Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As is written in the link provided - "don't question the currency, or else." Countries that have tried to or successfully priced their oil in euros (a challenge to the dollar) have been met with severe hostility or even CIA attempted coups or interference in their countries.

I wrote a paper in 2004 about what was really behind the war in Iraq, and this is what it boiled down to.

The economic strength of the US is directly tied to its standing as the world's reserve currency.

In November 2000 Saddam Hussein demanded Euros for his oil.

Germany, France, and Spain were against the US invasion of Iraq. Big surprise there, because at the time the Euro was strong and replacing the dollar as the reserve currency would have caused a paradigm shift in world economics and, consequently, in power.

An OPEC switch from the dollar to the euro would bring a quick and devastating dollar and Wall Street crash that would make 1929 look like a $50 casino bet." This prediction was understood by the Clinton administration, but the Bush administration took action to boost the petrodollar.

It's coming...just a matter of time, really.

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Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hasbinbad has never had an original thought pop into that drug-addled mush of a brain. He just remembers stupid shit he saw on youtube while high.

For once the fat man sounds convincing. Though I figured , figuring out hasbinbad would involve a fat chick that plays everquest. That likes to post pictures of her self less fat , after being called fat. Even tho she is fat and will remain fat. Regardless of how fat others tell her she is. Because she is infact fat. Oh and she has flings with dudes on internet forums , preferrably 12 year old games that have died out. Anyway back the the original point. I was wrong Hasbinbad figured out! Please don't go making threads about the girth of your penis , than follow it with some youtube vid you saw. Than try to assure us later your not a pervert or a cheat -(While your using MQ) and cover it up with TR- and then repute...

I drop off topic to much O well. Guess this is why it's offtopic , oops I mean rant and flames.... FUck....

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by visage [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For once the fat man sounds convincing. Though I figured , figuring out hasbinbad would involve a fat chick that plays everquest. That likes to post pictures of her self less fat , after being called fat. Even tho she is fat and will remain fat. Regardless of how fat others tell her she is. Because she is infact fat. Oh and she has flings with dudes on internet forums , preferrably 12 year old games that have died out. Anyway back the the original point. I was wrong Hasbinbad figured out! Please don't go making threads about the girth of your penis , than follow it with some youtube vid you saw. Than try to assure us later your not a pervert or a cheat -(While your using MQ) and cover it up with TR- and then repute...

I drop off topic to much O well. Guess this is why it's offtopic , oops I mean rant and flames.... FUck....

People like this on the forums, yet I am the one on drugs. lulz.

So telling that despite all of the posts I've made, the best argument they can come up with is "HASBINBAD SPOILED AND ON DRUGS HERR DERR!!"

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Hasbinbad, I think most people who could otherwise engage you in whatever sort of annoying debate actually choose not to because you are a dimwitted regurgitating turkey.

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Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People like this on the forums, yet I am the one on drugs. lulz.

So telling that despite all of the posts I've made, the best argument they can come up with is "HASBINBAD SPOILED AND ON DRUGS HERR DERR!!"

Rants and flames... Not the debate team based on moronic post. You posted a stupid vid in rant's and flames? That was your rant? Now we are clearly defining who you actually are. Because for the life of most people we can understand how someone can be so retarded... Now your ranting about the best argument we can come up with. Reputing the same conclusion we come up with for you , now your suggesting it to me... Cute come up with your own material bro rather than try to spin someone elses. Or can you not think for yourself? www.youtube.com and www.google.com go back to thinking you have a thought for yourself. Buddy...

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Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Truth

+1, except that I don't know if I'd go as far as to say everyone else operates under a "sane and logical" banking system. It is really astounding to me how little people know or care about how the institutions they entrust their money to operate. I'd be willing to bet a vast majority of Americans have no idea what the reserve limit, discount window or even fractional reserve banking itself are, yet they deposit their paychecks into the system weekly.