Focus Beta - Lack of direction/Feedback from devs/communication

[tmoneynegro]

Originally Posted by hotstud [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't know why this server claims to be classic PvP but all this bullshit around making high end zones FFA, punishing zone plugging, and dynamic level ranges is being added. MAKE THE FUCKING SERVER CLASSIC!

All focus should be number 2 and 3 above, all this bullshit around new mechanics shouldn't even be on the server.

I agree about dynamic level range. Even *if* it did work, it leaves too much a fog on the battlefield of who you can and can't attack. One minute some random noob will run by you and be invulnerable, next minute he will be dotting you while you're xping with 25% hp left.

We do need high end zones flagged as "arena" in order to prevent people from coming there with level 1 spies, invulnerable trainers, and other things like that if the server is going to have a +/- 8 level limit.

[lethdar]

Hit box has been fine since that patch that had crashing issues. No problem hitting people strafing / trying to evade / trying to dodge and we've tested the hitbox range already to show it already is larger than on live by default.

People who think the hitbox is messed up need to learn how to joust again.

[Mardur]

Originally Posted by tmoneynegro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree about dynamic level range. Even *if* it did work, it leaves too much a fog on the battlefield of who you can and can't attack. One minute some random noob will run by you and be invulnerable, next minute he will be dotting you while you're xping with 25% hp left.

This is just an unintentional quirk in the system and I'm sure Rogean is working on it or will get to it when he gets a chance.

[Sniperfire]

Originally Posted by Galacticus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Beta out for a couple weeks, server pop dwindling. I really want this server to do well and I want to help genuinely. A lot of people here dont and just come here for troll lols.

We should solve one of the biggest problems going on with this beta. There is a serious lack of direction and/or the communication of this direction to the community participating in the beta.

Its not wise to open an amusement park and tell the testers ok go test what you like and come back and tell me about it. You cant expect to test the brakes on a rollercoaster when everyone just wants to go fast or they are in the haunted mansion or the gift shop.

That wont get any sort of accurate results and it wont help you fix major problems.

Shit needs to be prioritized and looked at systematically. The devs need to understand what they want from the server(resists,melee hitbox,dynamic pvp level name system), whats important, and then tell people to test that thing out when they are ready to deal with and analyze the results.

Everyone is using a different method to test, there are no standards, so the info you get is completely biased and skewed. (how can i tell you if resists are working if I have no idea how the resist system works or what my oponent's resists are currently at)

By Focusing the beta, you get the results from what you as the development team are working on currently and can fix things one by one, instead of jumping from post to post trying to fix this or that here and there. It will make you devs frustrated, cluttered and overwhelmed trying to fix everything at once.

Also, the community needs to be informed of shit going on behind the scenes to keep people interested and willing to test something they understand, to make them feel like there is some sort of progress from the 7+ pages posted on the bug forums. I beta tested eq1 and eq2, anarchy online, daoc, Asherons call 1 and 2, swg, wow and each of its expansions, warhammer, matrix online, planetside and a shit load of other mmos.

They all tell the beta testers what they are currently trying to fix, how the beta testers can help to test that, what they can do if they cant test that, and how whatever they fixed last was fixed and how everyone should make sure it was fixed.

You cant have a productive beta without this feedback dynamic and communication.

Video game companies all do it the same way. They have alpha where they test core and root game dynamics and systems, then beta after they make sure the alpha is rock solid and so on. Its a process that cuts work down for them and organizes what is important and communicates it to the beta populace to do what their limited time wont allow.

You devs are leaders in this community and most people look up to you for information. You are what helps hold the community together, their faith in your ability to run a legit clean stable server. You reinforce this image by giving feedback to the community so they know you are there and care about this project even more then they do.

We are all human, we all got family and/or work obligations so we understand if you guys are busy with work or have family things to do or just dont feel like doing shit on the server tonight. We understand.

It just sucks spending two weeks testing things and not hearing anything addressed to the beta testing community while watching the server population drop and not knowing what is going on, no one wants to be in the dark and there really isnt a reason that we should be kept in the dark.

We all appreciate the work you do for us to have this server.

Help us help you.

beta is for devs to debug and look at things not tell us where there at on any said issue so we can have 25 pages of opinions about every little thing post the bugs and they will do what is needed as far as balance/classic i have faith in them, there on it

[Tombom]

Originally Posted by Sniperfire [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

beta is for devs to debug and look at things not tell us where there at on any said issue so we can have 25 pages of opinions about every little thing post the bugs and they will do what is needed as far as balance/classic i have faith in them, there on it

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[Jacko]

Aids can be contracted from your Mother.


Lol fucking hate grammar and shpelling NOTZEES

[Amuk]

lmao

[tbox]

I keep seeing references to kunark stuff. I thought this server was purely classic at least for a while?

[Bockscar]

Well, I've been saying it for a while: there won't be any serious, heavy-duting testing as long as people have to grind for their XP and camp mobs for their gear. A few people will try, but the amount of time that has to be spent just enabling characters to test - even with 10x XP - is simply a waste. A week of freeform beta gameplay was fine, two weeks has been questionable but oh well. If it's gonna continue, it's just a stupid waste of time.

I don't put much faith in the Oct 28th date. Yesterday in IRC, Rogean said he'd just now started to even look at the bug reports. If nothing has actually been done in the first two weeks, it's hard to expect the server to be ready in another two. Can't slight Rogean for being a busy man, it'll all happen according to his schedule, but I don't see any reason not to provide people with the tools needed to test the things that need to be tested. So far, the beta has yielded little more than useless killshot screenies and incorrect bug reports. Pretty much no tangible feedback for resists and such. Most people don't want to spend two weeks grinding and gearing up on a beta server, and the numbers reflect that.

All of the very minor feedback and the handful of non-retarded bug reports would have been provided anyway, it's not as if automated levels and gear would mean people wouldn't have found out about shit like the bugged dynamic range system or the fact that resists are screwed up. People would still want to PvP, and it would probably be a lot more fun and popular if everyone could just pick whatever class they want to try for the day and go fight some other goons of the same level and gear range. I expect that would get a lot more people on the beta server, a lot more PvP activity to cover everything imaginable, and a lot more feedback data. Right now it's just a bunch of magicians and shamans dicking around. I haven't seen any mention at all of like half the classes.

[gloinz]

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This was already fixed

rogean is doing work beta has already accomplished testing lots of stuff and the big man is fixing lots of stuff
less ppl = less retarded bug posts
the champ says beta is working as intended, no need to change anything until its ready for launch