Interesting post, and a warning..

[Softcore PK]

Originally Posted by Silikten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First off, saying false accusations like this is what will get you griefed. Nobody likes people who throw around responsibility like none of it is their fault. Second, if you intend to respond by saying "I never played with the VZTZ crowd" (whatever the fuk you mean by vztz crowd) then you are commenting on something to which you have no idea about. Another reason why people will dislike you. I already do.

I played on VZTZ, there were incredibly nice people and very awesome GMs. The reason it got shut down was hacking. Not grief. People's idea of grief are totally different. One may be killing him while on a CR and he quits. Another may be training him twice. Some people just can't get over the fact it is just a game.

Also, Nilbog, along with several other people liked the idea of item loot. But people like you feel that is "griefing." So what exactly is griefing?

Lastly, EQ has always been a PvP game. The best one I have played. As Fuzzy stated, the only reason to PvE is to be the top at PvP, period. It is incredibly easy to beat a game. INCREDIBLY EASY. To beat something that can adapt and evolve, like a player, is considerably harder.

I tried playing on VZTZ, but I was left in the dust as far as leveling went, and had to play catch up. Then every guild seemed to make it a requirement to know all of the high-end content before joining. Not just raids, but exp spots and everything. On live, I didn't get to experience much high-end content until luclin/pop because I was elf purist and PK'd out of those places 95% of the time. It was just a little too hardcore for me. But I did watch.

And what I saw was hacking, training, finger-pointing (GM favoritism) and generally immature behavior, on ALL sides.

Btw, I have never said (nor do I believe) that item loot is griefing. It just doesn't belong on Red99, at least for the time being, because of what it would to population. Prospective blues do not want item loot, and we need prospective blues :P

[Aesop]

global ooc is stupid, and is currently filled with ****** this, jew that etc. which ofc turns people off to even BETA. The level range thing is buggy, and while I appreciate the thought I'm not sure how useful it is (seems to have the opposite intended more often than not). While the low level griefers were always part of the game, they are not to the extent they exist here with the ADD/WOW playing crowd who can't even handle 1000% exp and sit at level 20 in places like Crushbone (best pvp zone ever) - I got corpse camped for over a level's worth of exp one night (I could have just zone plugged, I just didn't want to give him the satisfaction).

Anyhow none of this really deters me personally, but the people it does deter are the kind of people I want playing here. I don't want to play with the same mouthbreathing population again, well check that I want to play with them I just don't want it to be *just* them.

[Aesop]

ofc this is BETA but I worry people are taking their cue from it, which I suppose on launch day I need to roll a mage and white knight zones for the first couple weeks to ensure my precious bluebie population stays.

[Morninx]

Originally Posted by Silikten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First off, saying false accusations like this is what will get you griefed. Nobody likes people who throw around responsibility like none of it is their fault. Second, if you intend to respond by saying "I never played with the VZTZ crowd" (whatever the fuk you mean by vztz crowd) then you are commenting on something to which you have no idea about. Another reason why people will dislike you. I already do.

I played on VZTZ, there were incredibly nice people and very awesome GMs. The reason it got shut down was hacking. Not grief. People's idea of grief are totally different. One may be killing him while on a CR and he quits. Another may be training him twice. Some people just can't get over the fact it is just a game.

Also, Nilbog, along with several other people liked the idea of item loot. But people like you feel that is "griefing." So what exactly is griefing?


Lastly, EQ has always been a PvP game. The best one I have played. As Fuzzy stated, the only reason to PvE is to be the top at PvP, period. It is incredibly easy to beat a game. INCREDIBLY EASY. To beat something that can adapt and evolve, like a player, is considerably harder.

VZTZ servers were awesome. Sure there was a little hacking and that was what ruined the servers. I didnt really care, i enjoyed the focus on PvP. If i got beat or got "griefed" or corpse camped or trained... I logged off and lived my real life and then came back later. IMO VZTZrs view this box as a game(as it should). Bluebies play EQ too seriously. Training/Griefing/Corpse Camping(maybe not too extreme) is all a part of what makes the game interesting... Learn to Adapt..

As for item loot. that was a badass concept on live but unfortunately it discourages PVP and also has people running around bagging their gear instead of fighting. Even loss of money discourages PvP.

Encouraging PvP should be the #1 goal of a PvP server.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Morninx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

VZTZ servers were awesome. ...

VZTZ sure was great, I especially loved how selo's and sow worked indoors.

[juicedsixfo]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

VZTZ sure was great, I especially loved how selo's and sow worked indoors.

K&B had the 2 minute selo version in, it owned hard

[Atmas]

Originally Posted by Morninx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Encouraging PvP should be the #1 goal of a PvP server.

Exactly. A lot of people want xp death just so they can inflict emotional harm on someone. I would really just rather have fun fighting people.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Morninx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a little hacking

Lol. How about .... lol.

[Morninx]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol. How about .... lol.

Hey man im trying lol

[fuark]

aesop you can white knight me all day