Questioning GM Decisions

[Demetrium]

Honestly not sure if this is a troll thread, pandering to GMs, or an actual question.

Do you seriously want to play on a server where you can't voice your opinion in public? I don't. The largest obvious advantage is being able to see if you're in the minority or majority. When everyone files their opinions separately via the petition forum or private message you get no feedback or constructive criticism.

There's obviously proper ways to say you disagree with the management. Even so, after reading your post I can't really interpret it as anything but absurd. I think the GMs are adult enough to be able to take feedback with a grain of salt. Are they really management material if they can't?

[Deuces]

I think people shouldnt question the GM's decisions , but people should still call out the cheaters and hackers when they become known.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A lot of people are rightly outraged with the punishment that was chosen.

That is the crux of what this entire post is about.

You are totally entitled to feel that way. I am not begrudging you that right. However, the proper method for raising grievances has been outlined, and I think that should be followed, rather than a group of people on this server being given the de facto right to slander the staff and certain players willy nilly.

New people might see digest this information differently than people who have been here a while. For instance, I see this as just another rogue wave on our journey. It will eventually be cleared up. However, if I was new I might see these kinds of posts and determine on false or hyperbolic evidence that the staff of this server was corrupt and just skip it. That is not healthy for any of us, as we need new players to keep up an already small population.

[Vermicelli]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

New people might see digest this information differently than people who have been here a while. For instance, I see this as just another rogue wave on our journey. It will eventually be cleared up. However, if I was new I might see these kinds of posts and determine on false or hyperbolic evidence that the staff of this server was corrupt and just skip it. That is not healthy for any of us, as we need new players to keep up an already small population.

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[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Demetrium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you seriously want to play on a server where you can't voice your opinion in public?

No, and I don't think if it was someone voicing their opinion that this would even be in question. Rather than voicing an opinion, this is an organized effort to damage the server, and that - i think - should be stopped.

IRL, there is a huge difference between a peaceful protest and a looter-driven riot. While this situation is hardly as dire, you have people basically howling at the moon and demanding blood. Nothing good can come of this, and these issues - which I am not debating the validity of - should be dealt with in the proper manner, rather than having an active mob drive away decent old players and prospective new players.

Let alone developers. Sheesh.

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[Demetrium]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, and I don't think if it was someone voicing their opinion that this would even be in question. Rather than voicing an opinion, this is an organized effort to damage the server, and that - i think - should be stopped.

IRL, there is a huge difference between a peaceful protest and a looter-driven riot. While this situation is hardly as dire, you have people basically howling at the moon and demanding blood. Nothing good can come of this, and these issues - which I am not debating the validity of - should be dealt with in the proper manner, rather than having an active mob drive away decent old players and prospective new players.

Let alone developers. Sheesh.

Flames threads should be moved to the flames forum. This is far from a new rule. Like you mention there's a huge difference between a peaceful protest and a looter-driven riot. The moderators should be able to see this huge difference quite quickly and do what needs to be done.

Maybe you should have rethought the title of this thread. The "don't question the GM's" school of thought is pretty Orwellian/ridiculous.

[Skope]

I've never kept quiet. The fact is the GMs and staff here make mistakes just like the players do. Any rule forcing people to keep hush hush even when they see errors being made is completely ridiculous. The forum rule is there to make sure players don't go overboard and start whining incessantly over stupid shit where they're clearly wrong and the GMs/staff don't wanna hear about it. I've mouthed off to uthgaard and bumamgar and I think with the way both situations panned out i was right on both accounts. Bumamgar being added to the staff turned out to be, i think, one of the worst decisions the staff has ever made. Uthgaard not clamping down on petitions with guilds turned out (if you believe his post) not to be his fault at all. Of all the posts I've made I've never received a warning. I'll admit i'm belligerent, but at least i talk some damn sense. Keeping quiet when there's a point to be made is about as idiotic as you can get, even if it means calling out guides/GMs on their decisions.


Edited out your rants. You can take it to rants and flames. Not here.

[Daldaen]

I think you're misquoting rogean. He was speaking to quite specific cases about entity x training entity y or entity z boxing etc. The majority of the decision questioning as of late was relating to 300 some accounts temporarily banned... A very substantial part of the server. And they were very clear that everyone caught was undisputedly using SEQ or MQ while logged onto P99.

From what I've read the extent at which they used these varied from person to person and that falls into the "you don't know all the facts so stfu" quote rogean has... But what we do know is what was posted, people used those programs that are explicitly banned... And they slapped a 2week ban, removed 60% of their exp and all their coin.

People felt that was too light and they are allowed to in my opinion because the facts are pretty clear on what transpired.

As for the raiding threads all of it is bs. Turn on raid window that allows groups to band together and let their DPS count as a single entity. Have no GM intervention, then let the guilds work it out between them. If two guilds reach a mob at the same time the most DPS wins. Not just a group of six wizards but the entire guild needs to burn if thy want it.

[Littlegyno]

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