Item loot from a casual players perspective.

[Salty]

C)VZTZ max population was around 250...minus the two boxing,3 boxing etc going on....120ish? maybe.... and that didn't last for long

try 300-400 concurrent for 4-5 months

[Bardalicious]

Oh boy... rushmore trying to sound like he knows what he's talking about.

RZ had a huge following. 30 people? Ha ha fucking ha. I assure you if there was a legit RZ recreation that not only would it be successful but that it would pull a large population.

Stop impressing your VZTZ logic'd opinions onto the fate of Red99. Let me ask you something. If item loot is such a deterrant to get people to join a server, why was RZ one of the most popular PVP servers? Also, why was Discord, a server that not only raped you in the ass with deleveling you to 1 on any PVP or PVE death but ALSO included item loot ALSO so popular?

Believe it or not - people like a challenge. It produces an adrenaline rush, just like the OP was insinuating. It is addictive. The weak do not survive, that is true. But then, if you're going to rage quit because I stole a fucking pair of gatorscale sleeves from you, you don't belong in PVP anyways. The intelligent band together for protection and get even when something like that happens. It's been discussed to fucking death already. RZ had an anti-PK following exactly for players like you that were afraid of the challenge. End of story.

[Crenshinabon]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The intelligent band together for protection and get even when something like that happens. RZ had an anti-PK following exactly for players like you

This.
This also won't happen as much with less extreme penalties.

I also would not say that the Anti PKs did not love to fight. I was an "anti" and I fkin loved to fight. It was awesome to always /who and see if there were any known PKs in the zone. I just felt like there was a playstyle difference. I just did not like to own everyone I saw. It was fun to go against each other in this manner.

I also feel like this was inspired by the harsh death penalties.

[Rushmore]

Originally Posted by Salty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

try 300-400 concurrent for 4-5 months

False. After 3 boxing 2 boxing etc what was the population?

[coki]

Ready for a True Story?

Once upon a time when EQ Live first came out, there was a server called Vallon Zek, In the beginning Vallon Zek was item/coin loot in pvp. It was fun and many people had fun times running around and quickly bagging all their gear asap when they were either outnumbered or the person after them was 6+ lvs higher, or they just finished killing a mob and had 50% hp or mana....Many people complained about the item loot, and Thus the Tallon Zek character transfer was born and for a week or 2 straight GM's had a server wide message on Vallon when you logged in that said something like " A new server Tallon Zek is being made with the same pvp rules as Vallon except coin loot only, If you would like to transfer your character over to that server please send a petition with w/e information it was, and we will transfer your character over within a day or two. ....Well it just so happens that around 3/4 the population of Vallon petitioned to have their chars moved over and so the GM's were like fuck that we are just going to make Vallon zek Coin loot only, and they did... The end

I personally had a lot of fun in the old days of Vallon Zek being item/coin loot, ...would i want to do that again? probably not..but it was a thrilling/heart-pounding experience nonetheless

[Foxx]

Originally Posted by coki [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ready for a True Story?

Once upon a time when EQ Live first came out, there was a server called Vallon Zek, In the beginning Vallon Zek was item/coin loot in pvp. It was fun and many people had fun times running around and quickly bagging all their gear asap when they were either outnumbered or the person after them was 6+ lvs higher, or they just finished killing a mob and had 50% hp or mana....Many people complained about the item loot, and Thus the Tallon Zek character transfer was born and for a week or 2 straight GM's had a server wide message on Vallon when you logged in that said something like " A new server Tallon Zek is being made with the same pvp rules as Vallon except coin loot only, If you would like to transfer your character over to that server please send a petition with w/e information it was, and we will transfer your character over within a day or two. ....Well it just so happens that around 3/4 the population of Vallon petitioned to have their chars moved over and so the GM's were like fuck that we are just going to make Vallon zek Coin loot only, and they did... The end

I personally had a lot of fun in the old days of Vallon Zek being item/coin loot, ...would i want to do that again? probably not..but it was a thrilling/heart-pounding experience nonetheless

tldr.. cool story bro, nobody cares

[Amuk]

You found obscure places to level in so you could wear your gear, sounds cool.

[Crenshinabon]

I am still confident in the devs ability to make an awesome server. And I will play it nonetheless. Especially considering it will be classic xp rates and hopefully lots of people will want the same thing and play. Just givin my input on item loot hoping to maybe sway~ I know that item loot is hard mode, but if anyone can do it these guys can. I also feel like this would be the most fun and people just don't realize it.

Nil and Rogean know their shit. They been producing it for years and could probably even identify it by smell alone. Now to just throw pvp into the mix. Everyone else will come flocking just to see their shit.

Make it happen!~

Edit: Just thought maybe try item loot in beta? See if people like it. If not, knock it down to coin or xp death or whatever else you want.

[Rushmore]

Originally Posted by Crenshinabon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am still confident in the devs ability to make an awesome server. And I will play it nonetheless. Especially considering it will be classic xp rates and hopefully lots of people will want the same thing and play. Just givin my input on item loot hoping to maybe sway~ I know that item loot is hard mode, but if anyone can do it these guys can. I also feel like this would be the most fun and people just don't realize it.

Nil and Rogean know their shit. They been producing it for years and could probably even identify it by smell alone. Now to just throw pvp into the mix. Everyone else will come flocking just to see their shit.

Make it happen!~

I just want a good successful server too mate.

[Crenshinabon]

whoa easy there guys, no need to get crazy bros.