Bow damage formula?

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Leveling a ranger (52) right now so it would be an earthshaker. It is on the shopping list but a bit farther down the priority list. I'm trying to get fletching up there for more arrow options too but I got a tolan's bracer today also.

Basically I leveled to ~48 solo with a fungi just facetanking with a shovel but now it seems like even with swarmcaller swaps it is getting tedious so I figured I'd get more arrows in to cheese it as difficulty increases.

I'm looking at bow options and snaggles did a good run down in another thread but it is kind of hard to know how faster bows with lower ratios would fare against slower bow with higher damage so the actual formula would help a lot.

Can't imagine how swapping weapons would be tedious. Anyways look at this chart: https://lucy.allakhazam.com/dmgbonus.html

That number will get tacked onto your bow damage. It's completely wrong and broken. Earthshaker will boost your archery to something semi-reliable, soon. You're still at kind of a bad bonus at 52, but later on you'll have minimum 100-ish dmg shots with nice bows with +56 dmg coming from bonus at 60.

Tbh just running the Swarmcaller mainhand works, too. You get +15 dmg bonus now. It's about half as good as ES.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Windstriker is neat because how hard it nails things when the shitty bow accuracy works. The unresistable 100 nukes are cool, too. It's just not fun to use with the delay. It does respect your arrow supply more than any other option, however.

I agree with ~32/35 being the sweet spot for rangers. I ran Primal bow as my main bow. That ratio hurts. Non-rangers abusing weighted axes etc get more benefit from the quicker bows, but rangers have Trueshot and double damage passives that benefit more from the higher base damage. And again, like you mention, running out of arrows sucks so balanced damage and moderate delay is optimal.

You're gonna be running Tolan arrows primarily (3 dmg 50 range) and 1 - 6 / 150s for fancy occasions like AEs or FTE. Any other option isn't a good choice unless you wanna throw away a bunch of 8 dmgs into a BFG trueshot burn to play rogue for a mob. Too expensive and range sucks on them.

Agreed. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I really want a Windstriker for racing and those stun-double damage hits. It’s just an all around good bow outside pure ratio for dps.

The weighted axe really is the game changer for the Dagarn. I’ve seen warriors do solid dps with them (I recall one doing 70’s on Eashen).

I tend to open with a 2h and jolt between swings (x10-12 times), swap to BFG/Swiftwind to disc with 8’s and pray. On shorter fights it seems better to just disc and jolt but it’s a bit less efficient if the fight lasts over 2 minutes. For range stuff I pick up Flights in SFG with my Druid and just drop transfer them.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I want to say bards are blue to 55. Nobles are a coin flip blue at 56. They have low 2k hps so go down easy with arrows. On blue they are not camped at all (usually). Not sure on green. Back then I used my Huntsman bow and it was fun but the DD will occasionally break root early.

Harmony won’t split them up. Gotta root and root, then go to work. Or snare and haul to the zone and split them that way.

Blue cons are at -14 for 54-57 according to the wiki so at 55 only the 41-42s would be blue and 40s would be high green, leaving 38-39 no exp green. Not sure if that is acceptable for a melee camp. Not scared of some root CC action either, since the lvl 51 longer root it is a breeze.

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Windstriker is neat because how hard it nails things when the shitty bow accuracy works. The unresistable 100 nukes are cool, too. It's just not fun to use with the delay. It does respect your arrow supply more than any other option, however.

I agree with ~32/35 being the sweet spot for rangers. I ran Primal bow as my main bow. That ratio hurts. Non-rangers abusing weighted axes etc get more benefit from the quicker bows, but rangers have Trueshot and double damage passives that benefit more from the higher base damage. And again, like you mention, running out of arrows sucks so balanced damage and moderate delay is optimal.

You're gonna be running Tolan arrows primarily (3 dmg 50 range) and 1 - 6 / 150s for fancy occasions like AEs or FTE. Any other option isn't a good choice unless you wanna throw away a bunch of 8 dmgs into a BFG trueshot burn to play rogue for a mob. Too expensive and range sucks on them.

Yeah exq velium reinforced bow looks like the best compromise. It is 20-25k on green though and earthshaker is 20k and I just went broke buying a tolan's bracer with my last 10k so I got a lot of farming on my chanter ahead which I'm kind of dreading right now after farming for a fungi. I used to think I might have to farm a windsaber but even a 25dly sarnak war bow hasn't exactly been economical.

Yeah I love the 150 range arrows. Not always warranted but pulling across the map with a raincaller in EW/WL has been fun and safer. Don't really plan on fighting in open spaces for now so I just fletch the highest hitting ones I can skill up on for pulling and spam with tolan's if I need to.

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can't imagine how swapping weapons would be tedious. Anyways look at this chart: https://lucy.allakhazam.com/dmgbonus.html

That number will get tacked onto your bow damage. It's completely wrong and broken. Earthshaker will boost your archery to something semi-reliable, soon. You're still at kind of a bad bonus at 52, but later on you'll have minimum 100-ish dmg shots with nice bows with +56 dmg coming from bonus at 60.

Tbh just running the Swarmcaller mainhand works, too. You get +15 dmg bonus now. It's about half as good as ES.

Nah you misunderstood me. I meant the mobs have been more tedious to kill in general. I don't mind swapping swarmcaller because an early proc is a night and day difference at this point. I switch between spade and AP also depending on if I want the spade or not to proc. That last 15%-20% on a fleeing mob makes an appreciable difference in efficiency. The difference in dps between swarmcaller and AP is noticeable so I'd rather swap once SC procced. I mean, if you're dad camping a 6:40 mob it doesn't matter but if you want to be efficient all those little things help.

And yeah I did take another look at that lucy 2hander damage bonus chart yesterday and I didn't remember damage bonus doubling between 50 and 60. Difference between AP and ES is about 25% too.

[TytosOfEight]

I levelled from 46 to 54-55 with the Bow of Huntsman. I used a rusty halberd but an Earthshaker is better. It would proc 15+ times per fight. That's a lot of additional damage. I moved onto a Skydarkener at 55 and started quad kiting with it. But, I found it was far better for single targets. I'd snare and shoot then root, and then shoot, sit, shoot, sit, etc. Super efficient and the procs add up a ton. I pretty much only killed Geonids and Sents to 60.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by TytosOfEight [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I levelled from 46 to 54-55 with the Bow of Huntsman. I used a rusty halberd but an Earthshaker is better. It would proc 15+ times per fight. That's a lot of additional damage. I moved onto a Skydarkener at 55 and started quad kiting with it. But, I found it was far better for single targets. I'd snare and shoot then root, and then shoot, sit, shoot, sit, etc. Super efficient and the procs add up a ton. I pretty much only killed Geonids and Sents to 60.

That's an important mechanic to be aware of, too. Your mainhand determines your proc rate with a bow. So one of the huge benefits from Earthshaker is the +++ proc rate. It's awful trying to proc with a Baton.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Blue cons are at -14 for 54-57 according to the wiki so at 55 only the 41-42s would be blue and 40s would be high green, leaving 38-39 no exp green. Not sure if that is acceptable for a melee camp. Not scared of some root CC action either, since the lvl 51 longer root it is a breeze.

That place has a ton of blue spawns to 55 so you have 3 levels of bliss and fine steel. Plus 55 is a nice upgrade for the ranger.

Even if you kept it boring and just killed Boshinko it’s a solid camp to plunk while you watch YouTube. No splitting needed.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's an important mechanic to be aware of, too. Your mainhand determines your proc rate with a bow. So one of the huge benefits from Earthshaker is the +++ proc rate. It's awful trying to proc with a Baton.

... didn't know that, interesting fact!

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That place has a ton of blue spawns to 55 so you have 3 levels of bliss and fine steel. Plus 55 is a nice upgrade for the ranger.

Even if you kept it boring and just killed Boshinko it’s a solid camp to plunk while you watch YouTube. No splitting needed.

I have to return to antonica for other business so I will check it out.

[Duik]

How do we know that proc rate on earthshaker is more?

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Duik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do we know that proc rate on earthshaker is more?

All weapon procs are normalized “per minute”, high delay weapons just proc more per swing as you get less of those per minute.

Bows use the MH for damage bonus and proc per shot average. Actual delay is on the bow.

I expect nobody has done specific testing but the proc per shot average is MUCH higher in my anecdotal testing (a primal bow with a shaker procs a ton). Also, every bow racer runs no-haste, shaker, and Windstriker for that reason…an instant 350 range whirlwind proc gets you the FTE on Sev and ST golems.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Snaggles PM'ed me with a similar question about archery, but more specifically about BFG. I'll post my initial findings reply here:

If it is the melee formula then:

[Max Damage] = ([Mod] x [Weapon Damage]) + [Main Hand Bonus] (rounded down)
[Mod] is calculated as: ([Offense Skill] + [STR]) / 100

Do you know if Mod uses offense or archery?

If I guesstimate (210 + 215)/4 = 4.25 for my Mod @54

Then 12dmg bow, 5dmg arrow and an argent protector so 25dmg bonus

(4.25 x 17) + 25 = 97 max hit.

I'd have to double check but I'm not sure i've ever seen a 97dmg bow hit ever, highest has been mid 60s without crit but I'd have to reconfirm, haven't used bow extensively the last few levels. Am I missing something?

Using dext (110ish) instead of str gives a 80 max hit, probably much closer to the truth but a zillion people (one guy from my research?) reported bows use str so I don't know about that.