Found my first a-hole on the Blue Server

[cd288]

Did you /who and there was actually no one in the zone? Or was the Wizard invis or hidden and AFK while tracking the spawn timer? If the latter, that's technically still their camp. If the former, then yes they technically lost the camp under the PnP.

In any case, it seems from the screenshots that the Wizard is trying to give you the camp? It seems like they are telling you they had killed the last spawn, so they killed this one because they assumed it was still their camp, but if you'd like the camp you can have it and they'll leave. In that situation, it seems like you should take the win...but instead you demanded that the Wizard call themselves an asshole for what was potentially a mix up over the specifics of the PnP and the Wizard not understanding that they lose the camp if they log while waiting for the spawn timer.

[loramin]

I think it's easy to be mad about players who are following the rules, when you don't understand the rules. Our rules aren't the same as on Live, because we have volunteer GMs.

Here on P99 you could stand in front of a spawn point all day long: it doesn't matter, and it doesn't grant that mob to you. The mob is only "your's" if you kill it previously, otherwise it goes to whoever engages it first.

[sammoHung]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think it's easy to be mad about players who are following the rules, when you don't understand the rules. Our rules aren't the same as on Live, because we have volunteer GMs.

Here on P99 you could stand in front of a spawn point all day long: it doesn't matter, and it doesn't grant that mob to you. The mob is only "your's" if you kill it previously, otherwise it goes to whoever engages it first.

Wrong.

2. Help understanding what constitutes a 'camp'.

The definitions below are not absolute and Project 1999 Staff will not be defining what constitutes every "camp". All examples blow are just that, examples. Instead, Project 1999 Customer Service Staff will arbitrate spawn disputes on a per-case-basis. We greatly encourage players to find their own resolution to spawn disputes, as the solution provided by the staff will at best be a win-lose situation, and possibly a lose-lose situation. No two decisions, even at the same 'camp', are guaranteed to be the same, as we will take into account multiple factors in making a determination on a 'camp'.

That being said, you can absolutely "camp" mobs, and you cannot steal another players 'camp'. In general, if the placeholder or placeholders for a spawn are being killed, that 'camp' can be considered held by the player doing the killing so long as they are keeping the placeholders (or the room if there are no placeholders) cleared, within the same zone, do not die or log off. You do not necessarily need to be at the spawn point to call it 'claimed' while it is uncontested, however, if someone else wishes to contest the 'camp' you do need to return to the 'camp' and maintain a presence at or very near the spawn(s) in order to hold it. You cannot hold multiple 'camps' if another group wishes to contest one that you are holding. The player holding multiple 'camps' retains the right to choose which 'camp' to give up.

[Kavious]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here on P99 you could stand in front of a spawn point all day long: it doesn't matter, and it doesn't grant that mob to you. The mob is only "your's" if you kill it previously, otherwise it goes to whoever engages it first.

What about Hadden? You arrive and no one theres and stand around for 4-6 hours and someone that knows the timer can log in and snipe it away from you and its theirs if they tag it first?

Then something like StormFeather. Its after a Quake so you pretty much know the timer and no ones there. You can stand there for 2-3 days and its still not your camp and someone else can FTE it because they know you didnt kill the last one?

Ive always considered camps belong to the person thats already there if they killed the previous spawn or not. If I kill a named/ph and leave zone and come back and someone else is there before respawn I dont try to compete for it, I just consider it their camp now

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Kavious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What about Hadden? You arrive and no one theres and stand around for 4-6 hours and someone that knows the timer can log in and snipe it away from you and its theirs if they tag it first?

Originally Posted by Kavious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then something like StormFeather. Its after a Quake so you pretty much know the timer and no ones there. You can stand there for 2-3 days and its still not your camp and someone else can FTE it because they know you didnt kill the last one?

So, there are a few special cases for specific mobs. The staff refuses to always enforce those cases the same way, and so they don't publish them (eg. on the PnP) ... but in practice they generally do what past GMs have done. Awhile back, I started collecting those https://wiki.project1999.com/Camp_Rulings.

As you can see on that page, GM Menden made a ruling on Stormfeather back in 2018, while GM Andakos covered Hadden in 2019.

However, both basically say the same thing as the general rules: even when a mob has a very long respawn time, whoever killed it last (ie. is camping it) can keep their claim ... even if that means they sit AFK for most of the time. They just have to follow the general rules: don't zone, die, or camp, and engage it when it spawns.

If no one killed it previously (or whoever did left), it's free for anyone to take. The guy who showed up 2 hours before the spawn has no greater claim then someone who showed up two minutes before.

Originally Posted by Kavious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ive always considered camps belong to the person thats already there if they killed the previous spawn or not. If I kill a named/ph and leave zone and come back and someone else is there before respawn I dont try to compete for it, I just consider it their camp now

That's great for you, but that's not the rules the people who made this place setup.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Kavious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I kill a named/ph and leave zone and come back and someone else is there before respawn I dont try to compete for it, I just consider it their camp now

P.S. I should note that this part isn't anything special you do, it's the server rules. When anyone leaves the zone, they lose all camp claims ... so it's not just you "consider[ing] it their camp now" ... it's the GMs also.

[Wakanda]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think it's easy to be mad about players who are following the rules, when you don't understand the rules. Our rules aren't the same as on Live, because we have volunteer GMs.

Live has paid GMs and they still won't get involved with camp disputes. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[druidbob]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think it's easy to be mad about players who are following the rules, when you don't understand the rules. Our rules aren't the same as on Live, because we have volunteer GMs.

Here on P99 you could stand in front of a spawn point all day long: it doesn't matter, and it doesn't grant that mob to you. The mob is only "your's" if you kill it previously, otherwise it goes to whoever engages it first.

I'm sorry but this is simply not true, or at least it is not how it is enforced by GMs. And I know this because I personally ate a suspension for doing exactly what you you are claiming in this thread to be allowed ( claiming fte on a named mob when another group was established at the camp). So either you are wrong, or I want those five days back.

[aaezil]

Originally Posted by druidbob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sorry but this is simply not true, or at least it is not how it is enforced by GMs. And I know this because I personally ate a suspension for doing exactly what you you are claiming in this thread to be allowed ( claiming fte on a named mob when another group was established at the camp). So either you are wrong, or I want those five days back.

Sometimes the guide is ignorant of how the rules actually work though, had that come up a few times over the years. Don’t blame them as the rules are awful to read and even more hellish to try and find.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by druidbob [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm sorry but this is simply not true, or at least it is not how it is enforced by GMs. And I know this because I personally ate a suspension for doing exactly what you you are claiming in this thread to be allowed ( claiming fte on a named mob when another group was established at the camp). So either you are wrong, or I want those five days back.

Had the other group killed any of the mobs at that camp?