Question On Swarming

[eddiemorales]

So if I run circles in a dungeon on 4 mobs ... thats ok?

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by eddiemorales [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So if I run circles in a dungeon on 4 mobs ... thats ok?

My guess would be sirken said 4 because technically you could quad as a wiz/dru in a dungeon so I'd guess so? The latest rule says "is the act of pulling a large quantity of mobs, kiting them, and utilizing point-blank AoE spells/songs to kill them." so doesn't seem as clear cut on the quantity but the action is clearly defined. But...

1- Why would you do this when you can kite 25 outside?
2- What happens if you get an add if it is actually 4 mobs?

Not sure why you'd insist on playing with fire with grey zones. The rule is clear, like, I don't think anyone would report you for kiting in a pinch but if you go kiting for kiting in dungeons and you get petitioned for disruption, I think you're done.

[chillybob]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It would seem it is kiting more than 4 mobs according to sirken.

disgraced ex-gm sirken quoted in the big 2025? did not have that on my bingo card

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by eddiemorales [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If your so intelligent define swarming

*You're

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by eddiemorales [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If your so intelligent define swarming

A featherless biped without talons with teats.

[cd288]

Ennewi is just whining because they can't go swarm in Velks or CoM anymore

Any Bard who wasn't disrupting those types of dungeon zones wouldn't care about this rule at all. Know why? Because there are still plenty of zones where Bards can swarm kite.

Certain dungeons were just the easiest and most convenient for certain Bards to swarm (i.e., the Bards who are swarming to PL guild bots or otherwise being paid to PL people). You can always tell who those people are because they get furious about the dungeon swarming ban. Ennewi is clearly one of those Bards.

As for OP's question, there's no set number necessarily, but I would expect that anything above 4 mobs would get scrutinized.

[Zuranthium]

It should be allowed to swarm in dead zones/areas and if that content isn't being utilized then who is going to complain anyway. Just stop doing it if a group comes and wants to kill things in that area.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It should be allowed to swarm in dead zones/areas and if that content isn't being utilized then who is going to complain anyway. Just stop doing it if a group comes and wants to kill things in that area.

That behaviour can kill zones though and you'd also have people argue over what is a dead zone. "stop doing it when a group comes in" is exactly what wasn't happening and lead us here.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That behaviour can kill zones though and you'd also have people argue over what is a dead zone. "stop doing it when a group comes in" is exactly what wasn't happening and lead us here.

Exactly. It leads people to not even try to do anything in the zone because they just don't want to deal with arguing with the Bard, trying to petition, etc.

It's exactly the type of player experience that zone disruption rules are designed to prevent.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly. It leads people to not even try to do anything in the zone because they just don't want to deal with arguing with the Bard, trying to petition, etc.

It's exactly the type of player experience that zone disruption rules are designed to prevent.

Yeah. One time in HS I was clearing entrance roamers after being there for an hour and some bard barges from a wing with a train on him and starts kiting right over me. Some of his mobs aggro me and I chose gating out was safest at this point. I ask him what's up with that and he proceeds blaming me for messing his kite and getting aggro. Dude you're kiting OVER ZONE IN at peak times what did you even expect? I let it slide but when I saw the rule change a couple weeks later I wasn't surprised.

On paper it would be possible but I think we're long past the point of trusting people to do the right thing.