Claw of Lightning or Rogue Epic for offhand?

[sajbert]

jfc why do u ppl always do this.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My DPS calculator shows Fang + Claw is better autoattack DPS. We both agree. OP can decide if the ~10% extra autoattack DPS is worth the DKP for Fang + Claw vs. Epic + Claw.

I never agreed to this. Quit putting words in my mouth. You can barely make sense of the words that come out of yours.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never agreed to this. Quit putting words in my mouth. You can barely make sense of the words that come out of yours.

Where is the disagreement?

[Cecily]

Not reading that shit, but are you scholars actually telling people to swap in backstabs? What the fuck. No. It's not worth it for performance and is a massive hit to QoL. The only weapon swapping worth the effort on P99 is primal for avatar procs. Offhand your epic and choose your favorite NToV weapon for main.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not reading that shit, but are you scholars actually telling people to swap in backstabs? What the fuck. No. It's not worth it for performance and a massive hit to QoL. The only weapon swapping worth the effort on P99 is primal for avatar procs. Offhand your epic and choose your favorite NToV weapon for main.

I've seen rogues who are trying to get top parses swap mainhand for better backstabs. It just depends on how much OP wants to win at parses.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not reading that shit, but are you scholars actually telling people to swap in backstabs? What the fuck. No. It's not worth it for performance and is a massive hit to QoL. The only weapon swapping worth the effort on P99 is primal for avatar procs. Offhand your epic and choose your favorite NToV weapon for main.

This.

On live I used a Vyemm with offhand Rage. I never parsed it in 2000 but it just felt better. If I had a rogue on p99 I’d parse the hell out of this to make sure. Depending on the fight if in/outs are called I’d probably swap those (rage MH) for a higher average backstab cycle.

Anyone who can get a Vyemm can get a claw if they really want to try out. I suspect it’s a lateral upgrade (unless you are hover-swapping the rage for the Vyemm and keeping the claw in place).

IMHO, for a rogue replace the main hand first (any top 3 work damn well). Then get a primal. Don’t listen to me though…I’m not a rogue here. Listen to people who play rogues. Or create a ranger so I can give you bad advice for that class [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] .

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyone who can get a Vyemm can get a claw if they really want to try out. I suspect it’s a lateral upgrade (unless you are hover-swapping the rage for the Vyemm and keeping the claw in place).

Basically. In my experience, Claw = Ragebringer and Vyemm's Fang = Mrylokar's Dagger. The claw's better ratio has to compete with -40 ATK on every main hand, off hand, and backstab attack. It balances out to a degree, but it's lateral at best. Fang rogues perform just as well as Mrylokar rogues, but the lifetap DoT the best QoL boost you'll ever get on a rogue. It's a constant 30 hp regen buff that softens AoEs and keeps you patched up.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Basically. In my experience, Claw = Ragebringer and Vyemm's Fang = Mrylokar's Dagger. The claw's better ratio has to compete with -40 ATK on every main hand, off hand, and backstab attack. It balances out to a degree, but it's lateral at best. Fang rogues perform just as well as Mrylokar rogues, but the lifetap DoT the best QoL boost you'll ever get on a rogue. It's a constant 30 hp regen buff that softens AoEs and keeps you patched up.

All that makes sense. The bummer is swapping in/out the fang for the epic (or myro) there is the lag while the client adapts to the slower delay. Same reason people don’t cycle in a weighted axe, but obviously an extreme version of that.

People do a lot of silly things for stats. The Ragebringer has a bucket of hps, 20sv magic, and attack. I feel like people rush to bag it because it looks like they are more elite. If your offhand does roughly 20-30% of your total damage you have to make massive offhand gains to see the effect on the parse. I don’t think the juice is worth the squeeze even just by the napkin math.

For the tryhards out there, I’d pick up a Silver Whip of Rage. You can casually swap that into to either slot since the rune lasts like half an hour. You also might be in a situation where you are called to MA for the raid or need to tank something where it would be a noticeable boost in durability. In our guild these are stupidly cheap compared to a claw.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

create a ranger so I can give you bad advice for that class [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] .

See - Snaggles is right- their very first piece of ranger advice is already bad - under no circumstances create a ranger!!

Jk jk

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

See - Snaggles is right- their very first piece of ranger advice is already bad - under no circumstances create a ranger!!

Jk jk

Nice try to sneak in a diss to a quickly paging thread! Found it with my tracking skills [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]