What lvl to Quad

[Atmas]

Originally Posted by WizardEQ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Never saw post about quadding mammoth. Maybe stupid question but no snare is needed for these guys I guess.

And I do know the difference between a fizzle and a resist; they're apples and oranges. The only class I've ever played or rolled is a wizard!

Fizz Le (toon in Conquest on Lanys)

If you are running faster than the mobs with SoW or Jboots snare wasn't really essential because the AoE nukes casted faster at that lvl, but you had to be on your toes. Once I got AoE snare I definitely used it because it made things so much easier and quicker. Without the snare you have to gain max spell casting distance again before casting.

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by WizardEQ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Never saw post about quadding mammoth. Maybe stupid question but no snare is needed for these guys I guess.

Messianic got me quading mammoths, and that's where I got addicted to the whole quad thing.

You need to snare them.

[WizardEQ]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Messianic got me quading mammoths, and that's where I got addicted to the whole quad thing.

You need to snare them.

That's why I'd love to see someone consistently quadding at lvl 16.

In OT yesterday, I was dropping my full loads near SF near the ZL groups. Perplexed, someone actually blurted out, "A wizard can quad, holy shit!"

[Atmas]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Messianic got me quading mammoths, and that's where I got addicted to the whole quad thing.

You need to snare them.

You don't have to, it just makes it a lot easier. I was quadding them well before I got snare. You do need SoW or JBoots though. As illustrated in my terrible drawing below knowing when to cast using the terrain is important too. You should try to cast just when you are at max range and there is terrain between you and the mammoth that takes longer to traverse than a flat patch of ground. Casting on the other side of a dip makes it so that it takes longer for the mammoth to actually cover the distance to you.




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Even when you get snare you should avoid casting on a hill if your target is on the same hill.

[WizardEQ]

Originally Posted by Atmas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I notice that when killing HGs I pretty much always get at least one fizzle a mob, which seems a bit in excess but I can't recall how it was 11 years ago that well.

One fizzle per mob I can take. It's the 3-4 in a row that are ridiculous. You guys having this issue? Maybe the devs just hate me. I'll post SS next time it happens.

Xaxian

[Raavak]

You can quad with pillar of frost in Dreadlands around KC pretty easy. Avoid Drolvarg Ragers and Ravishings early on, and all the drachnids ever, and you will be good. Very little loot but lots of open area and all the mobs run the same speed, and lots of safe spots to med up. As a wizard I did this like lvl 51-55 in DL, where at the top end I was just doing ragers and ravishings either from KC entrance or over at the ruins getting close to FV. Experience was pretty good, and the occasional cleric coming through rezing for pp when you make a mistake.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can quad with pillar of frost in Dreadlands around KC pretty easy. Avoid Drolvarg Ragers and Ravishings early on, and all the drachnids ever, and you will be good. Very little loot but lots of open area and all the mobs run the same speed, and lots of safe spots to med up. As a wizard I did this like lvl 51-55 in DL, where at the top end I was just doing ragers and ravishings either from KC entrance or over at the ruins getting close to FV. Experience was pretty good, and the occasional cleric coming through rezing for pp when you make a mistake.

I did dreadlands for a little while, but rounding up mobs was more of a hassle than it was worth - for 51 and 52, Spirocs are my gold standard as long as Cobalt Scar isn't available.

Raptors are proving consistent, too...

[Ulivar]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can quad with pillar of frost .

yes I looked up my 51 spells and saw the dmg on pillar of frost seemed to be a massive upgrade from anything previous to it, been trying to find it since and when i do I will give quading a shot again

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Ulivar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yes I looked up my 51 spells and saw the dmg on pillar of frost seemed to be a massive upgrade from anything previous to it

It absolutely is. The difference in damage per point of mana ratio on Pillar as compared to Circle of Force (the most efficient targeted AoE up to that point) is absolutely huge. It proves to me that the original devs really underpowered every aspect of the Wizard class and they had to make up for it...

Example: Go quad HGs/Specs with pillar of frost when you get it. Absolutely night and day. Atol's shackles are also definitely worth the extra duration - also, little known fact - Atol's has a slightly larger targeted AoE radius...Mostly irrelevant, but I've had situations where it made a difference.

[WizardEQ]

Originally Posted by Messianic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It absolutely is. The difference in damage per point of mana ratio on Pillar as compared to Circle of Force (the most efficient targeted AoE up to that point) is absolutely huge.

Has anyone calculated the dmg ratio of PoF / CoF, including cast time and repop?