Ranger: dual wield 1HS or use 2HS?

[Jimjam]

move cursor to primary, attack off, click primary, move cursor to bag, click bag, move cursor to secondary, click secondary, attack on, attack off, click secondary, move cursor to bag, click bag, move cursor to primary, click primary, attack on.

Assuming DCOTS and decent worn haste, you have to go through those mouse moves, clicks and attack toggles every 2.5 seconds (skipping the attack toggles if you're feeling spicy).

Considering the terrible client ui click detection that is just asking for missed 2hs swings, for the chance of getting maybe one, perhaps two, 34 damage max swings (best case scenario).... how about no.

I love to experiment with this kind of stuff, but it just doesn't work reliably in practice.

[Zuranthium]

You can manually swing weapons. You don't need to turn auto attack on/off.

It only requires tiny movements of the cursor to swap the weapons. Bag slot should be sitting right next to the primary/offhand slots on screen. You go in a tiny triangle, clicking between the 3 slots.

More difficult cycles than this are performed by competitive gamers.

[Duik]

Anyone else see the similarities between Zuranthium and DSM? Factual facts and "letting people know" stuff?
Questionable 1% of 1% tactics extolled as legitimate and common.
Anywho i have an idea, rangers use their best bow but use it like Hawkeye does, ranged AND melee. Arrows (exploding) are used as close quarters peircing weapons.
Genius.

[Zuranthium]

Jousting has been common ever since 1999. It's especially important in PvP. You don't know what you're talking about if you're trying to say otherwise.

It's only 1 weapon swap at the start of a fight in PvE. Not difficult. Every melee should have the highest damage weapon they can get for that purpose. Dual wielding with a 2-hander is an extension of the technique.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can manually swing weapons. You don't need to turn auto attack on/off.

It only requires tiny movements of the cursor to swap the weapons. Bag slot should be sitting right next to the primary/offhand slots on screen. You go in a tiny triangle, clicking between the 3 slots.

More difficult cycles than this are performed by competitive gamers.

I remember the Kunark manual discussing pressing x for offhand. Never managed to work outmanual attack myself. Please do share your experiences of how you get it to work in titanium.

You don’t do triangles. You do Vs. 1-> bag-> 2-> bag-> 1. Have you actually tried it?

Doing Yoshimitsu’s ten hit combo in Tekken II a couple of times isn’t comparable to a 4 hour grind doing 6 button clicks every 2 and a half seconds on top of all the targetting, positioning, casting, communicating, etc you are also doing.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I remember the Kunark manual discussing pressing x for offhand. Never managed to work outmanual attack myself. Please do share your experiences of how you get it to work in titanium.

You don’t do triangles. You do Vs. 1-> bag-> 2-> bag-> 1. Have you actually tried it?

Doing Yoshimitsu’s ten hit combo in Tekken II a couple of times isn’t comparable to a 4 hour grind doing 6 button clicks every 2 and a half seconds on top of all the targetting, positioning, casting, communicating, etc you are also doing.

Even if we were shown a clip of someone (ANYone) doing it flawlessly for as little as 2 minutes with an AP or Tantors tusk … a case still would not be made that situationally attempting to do so might be prudent.

On raids every ranger will be rocking 100% haste. The cycle isn’t gonna be possible with raid 2hander delays rocking 100% haste

[Snaggles]

Nobody is doing that swap. Jousting is turning off a button, waiting and turning it back on when optimal. It works because of logic and being able to time it with a single click. The only time I’ll do a multi-weapon swap is to prep for a BFG disc.

I don’t have a BoF but my silver whip and claw only get used for the MR and rune proc. Otherwise the Meljeldin outperforms it on average. You can jolt between swings without a notable dps loss which is something you can’t do with DW. Plus, even if the raid mob is flipped at enrage you won’t eat a riposte sandwich.

Any ToV weapon + Epic is a great upgrade for a ranger. If left to pick, I’d prefer a Shovel or Meljeldin and even a spiked seahorse belt. It doesn’t look as cool or is as fun, but very functional.

Note:

Ratio considering damage bonus at 60

Tantor: 2.483
Woodsman: 2.657

Better 2h’s have less delay than 60 like the Tusk which is 3 second delay at 100% haste. Even a shovel of the harvest is just over 2 seconds haste capped. Ie: no point playing swap games.

[Ripqozko]

2h way better, this with my cek sword like a month ago


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[Snaggles]

Honorable mention for Jobekn.

Upper end of the parse is fun to be on. Its better not being below the mage pet…

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don’t do triangles. You do Vs. 1-> bag-> 2-> bag-> 1. Have you actually tried it?

That's a triangle. Well, it's a ^ shape more specifically (assuming bag directly above the 2 weapon slots), but same thing. 3 points to click and you just keep going back and forth the same with each weapon.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On raids every ranger will be rocking 100% haste.

Should be 99%*, but anyway that amount of haste is often not available. It's not even possible until Level 60. The OP is level 45 and it doesn't seem like they have a top haste item either.