Looking to start a monk

[Slave]

Originally Posted by Tewaz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

RFS. Same ratio, so the faster the better. Tstaff procs at like 50? That is the only time it becomes a better option. Also, you will be able to unleash the RFS at level 10. From level 1-10 it will essentially be a 10 attack 20 delay weapon and for 10+ it will be the 19/20, allowing its full potential early on.

So I say 19/20 from 1 to until the Tstaff can proc.

Actually the IFS will be the best weapon you can own from 20-50, having the exact same dps with half the weight, and 1/5th the price. It'll allow you to testdrive the monk without destroying your bank. You also won't lose a ton of money as Tstaff and RFS devalue.

From 1-20, Master Wu's Trance Sticks work well. (and again at 35 but if you have an IFS this won't matter so much)

[Tewaz]

[QUOTE=Slave;340544]Actually the IFS will be the best weapon you can own from 20-50, having the exact same dps with half the weight, and 1/5th the price. It'll allow you to testdrive the monk without destroying your bank. You also won't lose a ton of money as Tstaff and RFS devalue.

That is true, I forgot about weight. Does stamina matter on this server? Also it is a better deal on price also. You can grab a JM and a Cane of harmony for 1 to 20 to tear some crap up for like 4k.

[Tewaz]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually the IFS will be the best weapon you can own from 20-50, having the exact same dps with half the weight, and 1/5th the price. It'll allow you to testdrive the monk without destroying your bank. You also won't lose a ton of money as Tstaff and RFS devalue.

That is true, I forgot about weight. Does stamina matter on this server? Also it is a better deal on price also. You can grab a JM and a Cane of harmony for 1 to 20 to tear some crap up for like 4k.

[Estu]

Originally Posted by Tewaz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is true, I forgot about weight. Does stamina matter on this server? Also it is a better deal on price also. You can grab a JM and a Cane of harmony for 1 to 20 to tear some crap up for like 4k.

Stamina hasn't been implemented yet.

[Treats]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually the IFS will be the best weapon you can own from 20-50, having the exact same dps with half the weight, and 1/5th the price. It'll allow you to testdrive the monk without destroying your bank. You also won't lose a ton of money as Tstaff and RFS devalue.

Runed Fighters Staff outdamages the Imbued Fighters Staff by quite a large margin. These two weapons are not even close. Both of these have the same damage bonus until a few months before Velious when two handed weapons with delay under 28 are nerfed.

This is another thing to consider when figuring out which you want to buy. If you do end up purchasing a Runed Fighters Staff, its going to lose a lot of its value after the damage bonus is changed.

I would just go with the Tranquil Staff if you can only afford/want to buy one weapon. There is no nerf that will make it lose its value. Also, if you are still around in the Velious era, you will most likely be switching to two one hand weapons (or fists with epic) that provide more dps and can still sell the Tranquil Staff for a pretty good chunk of plat.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Treats [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, if you are still around in the Velious era, you will most likely be switching to two one hand weapons (or fists with epic) that provide more dps and can still sell the Tranquil Staff for a pretty good chunk of plat.

In all of my experimentation on live, Tstaff + epic haste + item haste was always stronger than epic fists + epic haste + item haste. I could be wrong - if someone wants to eventually post parses here that show that epic fists are better, fine - but epic fists (9/16) didn't trump Tstaff on live in late Velious/Luclin.

[tekniq]

Originally Posted by Treats [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Runed Fighters Staff outdamages the Imbued Fighters Staff by quite a large margin. These two weapons are not even close. Both of these have the same damage bonus until a few months before Velious when two handed weapons with delay under 28 are nerfed.

This is another thing to consider when figuring out which you want to buy. If you do end up purchasing a Runed Fighters Staff, its going to lose a lot of its value after the damage bonus is changed.

I would just go with the Tranquil Staff if you can only afford/want to buy one weapon. There is no nerf that will make it lose its value. Also, if you are still around in the Velious era, you will most likely be switching to two one hand weapons (or fists with epic) that provide more dps and can still sell the Tranquil Staff for a pretty good chunk of plat.

Wouldn't the RFS still go up in value as time passes just due to the fact that it no longer drops?

Also, I think the T-Staff will steadily decrease in price as time passes as well..any thoughts?

[Slave]

Originally Posted by Treats [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Runed Fighters Staff outdamages the Imbued Fighters Staff by quite a large margin. These two weapons are not even close. Both of these have the same damage bonus until a few months before Velious when two handed weapons with delay under 28 are nerfed.

This is another thing to consider when figuring out which you want to buy. If you do end up purchasing a Runed Fighters Staff, its going to lose a lot of its value after the damage bonus is changed.

I would just go with the Tranquil Staff if you can only afford/want to buy one weapon. There is no nerf that will make it lose its value. Also, if you are still around in the Velious era, you will most likely be switching to two one hand weapons (or fists with epic) that provide more dps and can still sell the Tranquil Staff for a pretty good chunk of plat.

You make several incorrect statements and/or assumptions here. I will deal with the two big ones:

-IFS is the exact same dps as RFS until you get damage bonus, and that is not for a long while. Also, IFS actually scales better with haste.

-Tstaff will almost certainly decrease in price, quite a bit from its present state, the result of being a one-class item who have several great choices, and a constant stream of new weapons entering the market.

[Nytewind TP]

Even back in the day on Live the TStaff was always pretty high in value and up until PoP I believe it was normal to go from TStaff, SoFW, then REBB if you got the drop. Since we wont see the SoFW or the REBB then the TStaff will/should be high for a while.

[Treats]

Originally Posted by Slave [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You make several incorrect statements and/or assumptions here. I will deal with the two big ones:

-IFS is the exact same dps as RFS until you get damage bonus, and that is not for a long while. Also, IFS actually scales better with haste.

-Tstaff will almost certainly decrease in price, quite a bit from its present state, the result of being a one-class item who have several great choices, and a constant stream of new weapons entering the market.

Since it seems you have no understanding of how the damage mechanics in Everquest work, I'll explain it to you. Please do some research next time.

DAMAGE CAPS

Until level 10 there is a maximum on weapon damage no matter what you use. It does not matter what you use if the weapon's damage is over this cap. The IFS and the RFS have the exact same damage. IFS has 40 delay. RFS has 20 delay. I think you can do the math.

From 10-20 the cap raises. Once again it does not matter which weapon you use. The damge is exactly the same.

20+ has another damage cap I think, I do not know exactly what this is. It could be over 19. If it is not, both weapons are still exactly the same until you reach the level when this is removed.

DOUBLE ATTACK

Using the IFS with no haste you have a chance at attacking EIGHT times in 12 seconds (38/40) with a successful double attack in each round.

Using the RFS with no haste you have a chance at attacking FOURTEEN times in 12 seconds (19/20) with a successful double attack in each round.

Double attack does not fire every time you attack. It is based on level/skill. Ideally you want as many chances as you can get at performing a successful double attack.

HASTE SCALING

Let me get this straight, since the Imbued Fighters Staff has a higher delay (40) than the Runed Fighters Staff (20) you believe adding the same percentage of haste to both items will somehow make the IFS maximize its gain better than the RFS?????????????????????????? Simple math.

Lets say your monk has both weapons. We'll just say he attacks once every time the delay is up on the weapon to make it easy. IFS - Once every four seconds with no haste. RFS - Once every two seconds with no haste. (Assume leaving the first attack at 0 seconds out of the equation to make it easier -- You would actually have 16 attacks per minute with the IFS, 31 with the RFS)

NO HASTE

IFS - 38/40 - 15 attacks per minute
RFS - 19/20 - 30 attacks per minute

FBSS EQUIPPED

IFS - 38/33.057851 - 18.150000 attacks per minute
RFS - 19/16.528925 - 36.30000 attacks per minute

You think because the haste dropped the delay on the Imbued Fighters Staff by 7 its somehow better now than the RFS that only dropped delay by 3.5????????????? Seriously??????????