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[cd288]

Can you link to that GM poll? I don't see one in the polls forum

Originally Posted by WarpathEQ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Both servers are stable, both have more population than needed at the top end hence the volume of raid concerns occuring in the UN discord, green with consitently the larger population as it was created more recently.

I think you just highlighted the reason people want a merge though. The servers are top heavy and outside of raiding things can be like ghost towns a lot of the time. People want a more vibrant, fulsome community throughout the level ranges.

"People still raid" isn't really a good measuring stick for whether servers need to be merged. In fact, it's kind of the exact opposite.

[WarpathEQ]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can you link to that GM poll? I don't see one in the polls forum

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=431039

My apologies upon further review it wasn't GM led, I conflated Viscere with Visceren so you can disregard those comments.

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you just highlighted the reason people want a merge though. The servers are top heavy and outside of raiding things can be like ghost towns a lot of the time. People want a more vibrant, fulsome community throughout the level ranges.

"People still raid" isn't really a good measuring stick for whether servers need to be merged. In fact, it's kind of the exact opposite.

A merge would not be a true solution to that problem it would just be a multiplication of the existing problem, a merged sever would just be twice as top heavy. What you're really speaking to is the desire for a brand new fresh server.

While we can certainly debate the most appropriate "measuring stick" the reality is all humans are inherently self serving so to have an expectation that the staff would make decisions that inherently would make the time they invest in the game (without any compensation) less enjoyable (more raid concerns, more petitions, more player vs. player conflict) is a really poor expectation to have. I believe the points I laid out more accurately reflect the actual measuring stick that the staff is using to make decisions about the current and future state of P99 as these are the main prisms that they experience the game through.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by WarpathEQ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=431039

My apologies upon further review it wasn't GM led, I conflated Viscere with Visceren so you can disregard those comments.



A merge would not be a true solution to that problem it would just be a multiplication of the existing problem, a merged sever would just be twice as top heavy. What you're really speaking to is the desire for a brand new fresh server.

While we can certainly debate the most appropriate "measuring stick" the reality is all humans are inherently self serving so to have an expectation that the staff would make decisions that inherently would make the time they invest in the game (without any compensation) less enjoyable (more raid concerns, more petitions, more player vs. player conflict) is a really poor expectation to have. I believe the points I laid out more accurately reflect the actual measuring stick that the staff is using to make decisions about the current and future state of P99 as these are the main prisms that they experience the game through.

I'm not speaking for a desire for a brand new server at all. Pre-Green, we had one PvE server for years which while it was very top heavy there were constantly people leveling alts, very frequently you could find lower level groups if you went to the more popular leveling zones, etc. You don't need a fresh server for that.

Multiple high end raiding guilds existed on Blue back then as well and you're forgetting the fact that a large number of the Green raiders are also high end raiders on Blue. You're not creating some massive influx of raiding players by merging. They're already raiding on both as it is, so likely guilds would just merge.

[WarpathEQ]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not speaking for a desire for a brand new server at all. Pre-Green, we had one PvE server for years which while it was very top heavy there were constantly people leveling alts, very frequently you could find lower level groups if you went to the more popular leveling zones, etc. You don't need a fresh server for that.

Multiple high end raiding guilds existed on Blue back then as well and you're forgetting the fact that a large number of the Green raiders are also high end raiders on Blue. You're not creating some massive influx of raiding players by merging. They're already raiding on both as it is, so likely guilds would just merge.

So by merging 2 servers that both admittedly have little to no leveling population where do you expect this population is going to magically appear from? To your point its a finite player base, to your point many people have high end characters on both servers so merging would just give people more access to more high end characters (including multiplying the bot army's that the top guilds have built). There is no incentive for people to start new characters, not twink them out, and engage in low end gameplay.

The only way I see to create such an incentive is a world where the top end characters don't exist, I.E. a new server.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by WarpathEQ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So by merging 2 servers that both admittedly have little to no leveling population where do you expect this population is going to magically appear from? To your point its a finite player base, to your point many people have high end characters on both servers so merging would just give people more access to more high end characters (including multiplying the bot army's that the top guilds have built). There is no incentive for people to start new characters, not twink them out, and engage in low end gameplay.

The only way I see to create such an incentive is a world where the top end characters don't exist, I.E. a new server.

Your comment is already disproven by the years of experience on Blue where people were constantly rolling new alts.

One of the things that drives people being willing to do that is a populated server. You know there will be people to level with. On Blue and Green right now since both are low pop unmerged, no one rolls alts because it's just a boring solo fest. When the pop is good and there are people to play with, people do. Which, again, your whole response is disproven by that fact and the years on Blue where there were constant alts rolled and groupin (at least in the popular leveling zones).

[loramin]

There will be a "new Green" server.

How do I know? Because it's what the staff wants: Rogean has explained (in past interviews) that the the entire goal for Project 1999 is to be a museum for experiencing classic EverQuest. You can't really say you've experienced classic EQ if you haven't had a "OMG I looted a rusty sock!" moment, so periodic new servers have always been a part of the museum's plan.

But, the folks running P99 do so as a hobby, and launching a brand new server is a ton of work. Thy learned exactly how much work when they launched Green, and clearly that they're in no rush to tackle it all again soon.

So while "new Green" is coming ... it's probably not coming anytime real soon.

(And as a side note, we've had this exact same debate almost a decade ago. I argued the exact same thing back then ... only back then I was arguing about "old green" coming. The more things change ... [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.])

[Pulgasari]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There will be a "new Green" server.

How do I know? Because it's what the staff wants: Rogean has explained (in past interviews) that the the entire goal for Project 1999 is to be a museum for experiencing classic EverQuest. You can't really say you've experienced classic EQ if you haven't had a "OMG I looted a rusty sock!" moment, so periodic new servers have always been a part of the museum's plan.

But, the folks running P99 do so as a hobby, and launching a brand new server is a ton of work. Thy learned exactly how much work when they launched Green, and clearly that they're in no rush to tackle it all again soon.

So while "new Green" is coming ... it's probably not coming anytime real soon.

(And as a side note, we've had this exact same debate almost a decade ago. I argued the exact same thing back then ... only back then I was arguing about "old green" coming. The more things change ... [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.])

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[Trexller]

Originally Posted by Pulgasari [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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So, this is the AI that we are supposed to worship and fear?

That's disappointing

[Trexller]

Its not that much work, now they know exactly what to do for everything

All the kinks have been ironed out, a new server could not generate new problems, outside of changes in technology.

The radio silence on this matter easily approaches inexcusable

[Toxigen]

Let's face it the most fun part of P99 is having a full raid loot twinked alt and just flexing on scrubs in rags.