Paladin: 95 CHA in seb as puller, no issue at 60

[Vexenu]

I think most of the nonsense posted about CHA being the primary Paladin stat for awhile now has been driven primarily by hardcore types on their 10th alt who mostly soloed up their uber-geared Paladin twink in dungeons. As if this somehow represents the ideal or even normal playstyle of the class, which primarily excels as a GROUP TANK. Imagine dungeon crawling solo as a Paladin and thinking, "My God, I've truly discovered something incredible here!", when it's actually the EQ equivalent of cutting up your steak with a fork.

[Ennewi]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think most of the nonsense posted about CHA being the primary Paladin stat for awhile now has been driven primarily by hardcore types on their 10th alt who mostly soloed up their uber-geared Paladin twink in dungeons.

Divine Intervention would probably contribute to their argument for dumping starting points into CHA, though so far it seems DI is only being used on Warriors. Maybe at some point it will come into play for paladins.

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Imagine dungeon crawling solo as a Paladin and thinking, "My God, I've truly discovered something incredible here!", when it's actually the EQ equivalent of cutting up your steak with a fork.

Snicker bar with a fork and knife.

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think most of the nonsense posted about CHA being the primary Paladin stat for awhile now has been driven primarily by hardcore types on their 10th alt who mostly soloed up their uber-geared Paladin twink in dungeons. As if this somehow represents the ideal or even normal playstyle of the class, which primarily excels as a GROUP TANK. Imagine dungeon crawling solo as a Paladin and thinking, "My God, I've truly discovered something incredible here!", when it's actually the EQ equivalent of cutting up your steak with a fork.

Thats a pretty sharp edge there, careful you don't cut yourself.

Those of us on alt 5, 6, 7, etc with raid gear aren't obligated to carry a full group of shitters that would rather watch netflix and play at 20% capacity...just because you say the class is a group tank.

I got far better xp solo in the highest ZEM dungeons and if I came across a competent player I'd duo it up for a nice change of pace.

[Gozuk]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Those of us on alt 5, 6, 7, etc with raid gear aren't obligated to carry a full group of shitters that would rather watch netflix and play at 20% capacity...just because you say the class is a group tank.

I got far better xp solo in the highest ZEM dungeons and if I came across a competent player I'd duo it up for a nice change of pace.

Not sure what you're trying to accomplish in this thread unless your goal is widespread secondhand embarrassment.

[Philistine]

Thanks for sharing Snaggles! I went STA on my baby Pal and after reading sooo many threads about CHA I'd genuinely wondered if I goofed.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Philistine [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thanks for sharing Snaggles! I went STA on my baby Pal and after reading sooo many threads about CHA I'd genuinely wondered if I goofed.

You didnt

[Tann]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

"My God, I've truly discovered something incredible here!", when it's actually the EQ equivalent of cutting up your steak with a fork.

To be fair to the steak, if you sous vide that slab of meat properly you could "cut" it with your finger

[greatdane]

On P99, for whatever reason, mobs become completely unable to resist if you're sufficiently higher level than them and they don't have higher MR than whatever is the default for trash mobs. It wasn't actually like that back in the day, or even to this day on live servers (including TLPs). It's a "feature" unique to P99, or at least to emulated servers. Basically a bug. Using a level 60 character at ABC, it wouldn't have mattered if you had 1 charisma when casting on the mobs that are below whatever the threshold is for a 0% resist chance. Charisma makes a pretty big difference when you aren't casting on mobs that are like 10-15 levels below you. Your assessment of charisma's effects on crit fails isn't really valid outside that particular context.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by greatdane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On P99, for whatever reason, mobs become completely unable to resist if you're sufficiently higher level than them and they don't have higher MR than whatever is the default for trash mobs. It wasn't actually like that back in the day, or even to this day on live servers (including TLPs). It's a "feature" unique to P99, or at least to emulated servers. Basically a bug. Using a level 60 character at ABC, it wouldn't have mattered if you had 1 charisma when casting on the mobs that are below whatever the threshold is for a 0% resist chance. Charisma makes a pretty big difference when you aren't casting on mobs that are like 10-15 levels below you. Your assessment of charisma's effects on crit fails isn't really valid outside that particular context.

The level gap between a level 60 and spawns in ABC is no different than a solo paladin though. In the early levels the PC vs NPC level gap is pretty close so Charisma is more noticeable but devoting starting points to help in Unrest is short-sighted. Soloing a melee at some point you are hunting for the easiest dark blues you can find.

This certainly isn’t trying to buck the trend for enchanters farming chardok who cap charisma. It’s also not saying a paladin’s proper lull kit isn’t occasionally useful. Just adding a counter point to so many theorycrafters on the forums saying dwarves are a dysfunctional pick or god-forbid that most new players should add CHA to elves and humans. Especially if one is more of a grouper since you have CC watching your back and the paladin is by far the most durable class that can lull.

[Toxigen]

Level > everything else...and you're doing ABC at 60. If you were 55 it would be an entirely different story.

Now go do King or Juggs with that group and report back on your lull success rate.