Bard vs Enchanter, which is the better dungeon crawler?

[Bockscar]

Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How I'd rank em assuming 60 and good gear including all spells, epics and important clicky items.

Enchanter
Necro
Shaman
---- GAP ----
Paladin
Shadow Knight
Monk
Druid
Bard
--- GAP ----
Wizard
Cleric
Ranger
Magician

You forgot rogue!

And you're insane for putting magician and wizard in the same bracket. Wizard is the very worst class in the game for dungeon crawling. Mages are decent, sometimes even great.

[sajbert]

Originally Posted by Bockscar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You forgot rogue!

And you're insane for putting magician and wizard in the same bracket. Wizard is the very worst class in the game for dungeon crawling. Mages are decent, sometimes even great.

Wizard with Epic and VP robe and mannarobe beats mage in solo dungeon crawling.

I forgot war too. An uber geared war is likely in the mid tier group. Never seen an uber geared rogue try, I’d guess in the bottom group.

[Bockscar]

Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wizard with Epic and VP robe and mannarobe beats mage in solo dungeon crawling.

There's a single-digit number of those on the server, and they don't generally join random groups for the sake of grinding. Don't be disingenuous. You know exactly what I meant, and you know that I'm right, but you just had to come up with some bullshit contrarian argument that doesn't really apply to the way people actually play the game.

[Snaggles]

In dungeons root is extremely helpful. Enchs get rune and fetter plus other tricks.

I really like bards but they are pretty bad in dungeons unless you have a lot of room and skill. If that’s the case, that same player would still be better with a handful of different classes.

[busted]

Bards can do much more than people think. See the videos in this thread https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...=408521&page=2

That said, chanters are much more efficient/OP at crawling due to long-duration lulls & charms.

If bards could charm lvl 55 mobs https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...ght=bard+charm things would be a little bit closer but still with enc on top

[Swish]

Enchanter unless you're sugz4 who can kite a HS wing on his bard with no issues.

[sajbert]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Enchanter unless you're sugz4 who can kite a HS wing on his bard with no issues.

Except, compared to what Sugz can do on an enchanter…

[Bockscar]

Enchanter, and it's not even close. While bards are nice to have, they don't approach the level of power that enchanters inhabit. Personally, I think bards are a little overrated if it isn't an outdoor zone, which most dungeons aren't. My ideal dungeon group setup does not include a bard. It most certainly includes an enchanter.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by VincentVolaju [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I always hear people say Enchanter is the #1 farmer in the game. However Ive been watching some Bard videos on YT and they seem pretty good, I dunno.

What yall think?

Bards are better dungeon crawlers until level 50. Their low level charm lasts 4 ticks & costs no mana and mezzes are really reliable including the aoe one. You have all the tools/regen needed to succeed with literal nonstop kills if you know what you're doing.

Unfortunately, this doesn't scale as well 51+ as the final charm sucks and drains your mana among other things so this is when enchanters start to pull away so really no competition at this point if you want to farm big nameds.

[Bockscar]

Bards also can't mez mobs above level 45 until the level 53 song. There's a really awkward window of time where it's a pretty unimpressive class. Basically mid-40s until 53, and those are the levels where you want to be getting into those Kunatk dungeons.