Iksar Monk: 20 sta the endgame choice?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But, you’d also cap sta with buffs. Even without buffs you’ll cap out as long as, yeah, you don’t invest in high MR pieces with low or no sta. Even if you do you’ll be some 30 stamina short without any buffs whatsoever.

The difference is you can only get 50 STA from buffs generally speaking via Riotous Health. While you can get an additional 20 from Primal Essence, a BiS Monk is going to be using Avatar instead (Primal Essence and Avatar do not stack).

So putting points into STA is better, because you are only able to get + 50 STA from buffs, as opposed to +160 DEX. If you are an Iksar (which is the min/max choice), 95 starting stat + 160 = 255. You are capped without the need for any DEX gear or starting stats. STA still requires you to put on STA gear if you want to cap it, even considering buffs and starting stats.

If you can cap your STA without buffs, you can save a buff slot, which is useful. DEX is being capped by two buffs you would always want anyway, Avatar and FoS.

Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does sta above cap affect mend?

What Toxigen is saying is you want to ensure your STA is capped, because mend always gives you 25% of your HP pool back. For Monks max HP has additional utility, because it will always improve the amount of health you get back via mend. Putting points into STA allows you to have more flexibility on gear while hitting max STA, or at least being close to it.

[Solist]

Capping stamina happens pretty quick in any raid scene monk.

And even if it doesn't, who has the buff slots for stamina for the sake of 20 hp or whatever to finally cap it if you're like 230.
grim aura/epic click
10th ring
see invis
ultravision
5 flowers
avatar
fos/dain hammer
vog
aego
sow

Leaves 1 slot for fear/some other AE, and celestial elixir or DI. May swap out an unneeded flower as required for the DI/elixir, and/or keep a top 2/3 slot open for slime mist. But by and large you're buff slot limited on a monk. But luckily monk gear generally stacks stamina fairly easily.

[Toxigen]

BiS or not BiS, the answer is still STA because of mend.

[Toxigen]

yikes bis monk no shroud try again maybe next server sorry you dont got

[Keebz]

Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In a fever dream where you had full raid BIS-gear, wouldn't you be stamina and str capped without buffs or avatar proc?

I have no idea what I'm doing but throwing together a kit of gear focusing on 3 x AoB, regen+eb+truevision, AC, HP and MR (roughly that order) and I'm at 254 sta and str without a single attribute point spent, even whilst using summoned shurikens.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Green:Monkeybis
(feel free to C&C my picks).

The typical recommendation is to put all points into stamina if you wish to minmax. Is it simply not true once you have transcended your corporeal body in your mom's basement and achieved full BIS?

Or am I simply really bad at playing magelo online? If not, should we dump points into dex instead for faster non-buffed primal procs? Or agi for that AC? Or charisma for vendor prices and... uh DI?

Well, that's not BiS. You have a bunch of sub-optimal items with lots of stam like Earring of Living Flame, Net of the Deep Sea and to a lesser extent Ancient Wyvern Hide Tunic. They can all be replaced by items with more raw HP and/or other desirable effects. This is why you go stam.

[sajbert]

Originally Posted by Keebz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, that's not BiS. You have a bunch of sub-optimal items with lots of stam like Earring of Living Flame, Net of the Deep Sea and to a lesser extent Ancient Wyvern Hide Tunic. They can all be replaced by items with more raw HP and/or other desirable effects. This is why you go stam.

That could explain it. Net of the Deep Sea has highest AC though and EB is fun. Cloak of the Firestorm has 5sta less and Falling Stars if you go for MR has NO stamina. Runs with the theme of the shawl too, if you go for MR instead of AC then stamina does make the most sense then.

So I guess solo dungeon hero goes dex, MR raiding hero goes sta? Seems about right?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So I guess solo dungeon hero goes dex, MR raiding hero goes sta? Seems about right?

Personally solo I would still go STA. DEX is still easier to cap if you are soloing in BiS gear due to having Avatar proc.

[sajbert]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Personally solo I would still go STA. DEX is still easier to cap if you are soloing in BiS gear due to having Avatar proc.

But wouldnt max AC be your best bet for solo? With max AC BIS kit you will cap sta, even if you did not leg stamina buff would get you there. And like I said, going dex means faster avatar proc.

Sure, MR has its uses too (for solo) but more than AC? I wonder...

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But wouldnt max AC be your best bet for solo? With max AC BIS kit you will cap sta, even if you did not leg stamina buff would get you there. And like I said, going dex means faster avatar proc.

Sure, MR has its uses too (for solo) but more than AC? I wonder...

With BiS gear you are well over the softcap. Softcap is 289 worn ac, and your Magelo is currently at roughly 500 worn ac.

Even when swapping out resistance gear you are going to be well over 400 worn ac. You don't need to worry about ac at that point.

It's an interesting idea to wonder about how much faster 20 DEX will proc your avatar initially, but in the long run I don't forsee it being a big issue. If you have Holgaresh Elder Beads you will just proc avatar on eyes anyway, so it isn't like you are losing HP by waiting on a proc while fighting in combat.

[Solist]

You're making some weird assumptions about how a monk functions on p1999. No monk on p99 has used a javelin in over 12 years now; I think I've used 6 individual javs in 12 months or so total... That meta died about month 6 of kunark duking out trak engages.

So with those assumptions being slighty off it means your magelo's are still pretty poor
No silver bracelet of speed?
No abashi/FoN equipped?
No Ring of Destruction?
Noone's carrying Do Vissar's around on a monk except Kelz. Again bagspace and the epic click combined with firefist or grim aura is your #1 slot dispell repellent. Permanant buff slot 1.

Abashi is inventory clickable, you never equip that item except once you have 4-5 FoN procs tanking. You never use javs...ever.

Other changes I made was boots to +hp/resist, you have enough AC at that point.
Range added.

The argument is about bagspace too. So you don't have bagspace to carry a CT shield around for resists etc. You don't have bagspace to carry a spare shawl etc. A top end monk has maaaaybe 3 slots free total, with half their keys banked.

Anyway check this one out for a clearer picture.

monkforumhero

Shroud of longevity is a game changer because it is regen, plus the 100hp (which is 1.4 regen/tick on mend cooldown), plus resists, plus a bag slot. Combine all those and it's why it is good. Plus it's a lot of stamina in one slot which is a buffslot midway through velious which is fairly huge. Without shroud you're using koi back and maybe stamina boots to cap until you're about 2 slots from BiS. Monks are incredibly bagslot, and buff cap limited.

As for throwing items, maybe when doing king I'll summon some throwing things...and the range slot goes right back the moment i've thrown the projectile. Might throw a jav at a vaniki or guardian K. Pretty darn rare they come out of the bag though.