Game Mechanics: Archery Diagnosed!!! - Page 2

YendorLootmonkey · #1 02-21-2023, 09:58 PM

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Not sure what that would accomplish. My theory is that the bug causijg primary hand damage bonus, is also causing the algorithm that checks weapon skill to miss archery skill, thus throttling the damage from the range slot.

The reason i want to test BFG in primy, versus secondary, is its the 1 weapon that can be used in both.

Because if there is a big difference, both are 1HS weapons so your weapon skill would be the same and you can rule out weapon skill as the determining factor.

It's just a process of narrowing down the source of the archery damage one thing at a time.

I am trying to get the mob we all used on Live to parse archery damage because he was perma-rooted with high regen to also be perma-rooted here. Currently he is not. https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=414909

Encroaching Death · #2 02-21-2023, 09:35 PM

I've heard that Bow damage is also determined by STR, and not by DEX.

Isn't it supposed to be DEX?

feniin · #3 02-22-2023, 12:53 PM

Trueshot is basically only good for being lazy on CT or meme Vindi DPS. I haven't found a compelling reason to use archery over ToV 1h'ers or 2h'ers. If archery was hitting the way it was on those live logs, you'd see a whole lot more rangers with their bows out. I'm ready to replace my bow with a CT brain since I never use it.

Botten · #4 02-22-2023, 01:44 PM

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Trueshot is basically only good for being lazy on CT or meme Vindi DPS. I haven't found a compelling reason to use archery over ToV 1h'ers or 2h'ers. If archery was hitting the way it was on those live logs, you'd see a whole lot more rangers with their bows out. I'm ready to replace my bow with a CT brain since I never use it.

As a fellow ranger I feel exactly like you.

But lets be honest this is how it was in Live too until Luclin (even if archery received a slight boost.)

Mages, knights and rangers have their niche but aren't raid core classes.

The classic experience!

Awsten_Tx · #5 02-22-2023, 03:13 PM

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As a fellow ranger I feel exactly like you.

But lets be honest this is how it was in Live too until Luclin (even if archery received a slight boost.)

Mages, knights and rangers have their niche but aren't raid core classes.

The classic experience!

This isnt really accurate. Even in velious era in 2001 the Windstriker was commonly regarded as best bow in game despite priceless, primals and warbow. This was because those bows werent really around till Luclin because those mobs, oftentimes, werent killed till after SoL came out.

Having said that, it wasnt nearly as bad as it is here. I remember SoL making it so archery wasnt just an "eh" but rather a "holy shit"...

YendorLootmonkey · #6 02-22-2023, 07:00 PM

Did the Wayback Machine/Web Archive get any dumps of Sunmoon's original Ranger's Glade site where we posted all the archery parsing results from this era back in the day?

Awsten_Tx · #7 02-22-2023, 07:29 PM

I have searched far and wide for any kind of parse documentation, and i cant find squat.

feniin · #8 02-22-2023, 08:55 PM

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.game...m/1lOJ_UmONRAJ

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Celt just set a new record -- a single hit of 1025, against Yelinak

I don't think there's any combination of bow+arrow that would get me 1025 against Yeli.

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7 Aug 2001
High-damage bows can produce some very impressive critical hits under
Trueshot, with the current record being a shot in the high 900's from an
Efreeti War Bow (wielded by Celt of the Xeb server, IIRC).

High 900s from a 40 damage bow.

baakss · #9 02-23-2023, 12:08 AM

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https://groups.google.com/g/alt.game...m/1lOJ_UmONRAJ

I don't think there's any combination of bow+arrow that would get me 1025 against Yeli.

High 900s from a 40 damage bow.

Tbh this is more interesting as a bug that archery should be doing double damage shots to rooted dragons.

Awsten_Tx · #10 02-23-2023, 07:31 AM

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Tbh this is more interesting as a bug that archery should be doing double damage shots to rooted dragons.

I have brought this up, its not necessarily a bug, as much as its an unintended nerf ro rangers.

The devs dont like zone line pull metas so they perma rooted many major encounters.

I have no problem with this but it does result in a major nerf to ranger performance.