Game Mechanics: Spell fizzle rate calculation incorrect?

[baalzy]

It has always seemed to me that if you fizzle, you're more likely to fizzle twice in a row then you are to just fizzle the once.

[dali_lb]

Can confir m the same thing, and it strangely happened to escalate after the "root/snare/sow stacking" classical patch.

Ok .. I admit I was iffed too just by the DoT nerfs, but let that rest, since i know it was classic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But the fizzle rate is totally nuts.

I play a 47 Druid with maxed out specialize in conjuration, and I am not kidding, that I do get 3-4 fizzles in a row on my DoT spells quite some times during a couple hours killing. I tried using a lower lvl DoT .. 34 or 24 just to test, and the fizzle rate is just about the same.

more off .. (I don't know the exact formula for mana save on a successfull spec. role, and what % rate spec. is supposed to go off ). but i can't really see that specialize have an impact on mana usage. I have tried 4-5 times just using my mana on casting eg. my biggest DoT as the mana saved should be more noticeable here, and taken into count client update bugs on manabar every single Drifting death uses 196-215 mana .... it's supposed to use 200. So I'm beginning to have my doubt that specialize is working at all

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Anathuril [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you want to tell me that you remember that from the old EQ, I will tell you you're lying.

Tell me that i'm lying all you want, but I do remember it.

http://www.thedruidsgrove.org/archive/eq/t-3871.html
http://www.thedruidsgrove.org/archive/eq/t-2954.html
http://eqclerics.org/forums//showthread.php?p=24084


The difficulty is unless we know how fizzling was really calculated in classic, saying "this absolutely never happened 10-12 years ago because my memory is awesome" doesn't really work - even if we try to point out the raw probability of 5 fizzles in a row.

I don't dispute fizzles might be higher than classic, but not by much if so. I don't see a lot of 50+ complaining about the rate.

[mwatt]

My own "gut feel" is that fizzles occur more often than they did on live, although they did occur a lot on Live too. But "gut feel" is notoriously untrustworthy.

Also, although it is friggin annoying (especially when low mana) the current fizzle rate is livable. Taking into considertaion that there are some bugs out there that are high priority issues, it would be better to work on those than look into fizzle rate.

The aforementioned reasons have kept me from posting about fizzle rate on the forum until now.

[Uthgaard]

There was an additional, unnecessary level of difficulty that was subjectively added to the checks, and it was based around hard-coded skill caps that were inaccurate for timeline. This created a higher fizzle rate in the mid-level range, that disappeared as the per-level skill caps approached the hard-coded value. This is fixed, pending update.

[Anathuril]

Uthgaard - I wanted to thank you profusely for taking a look into this - I guess I will return to the realm :-) . I had quit playing and just happened to check this to see what happened with this issue.

Messianic - usually I don't respond to people like you, but I am getting very tired of such people denegrating a commenter by completely ignoring the context of the discussion, and disputing a statement taken out of context. Read a thread before being a jerk toward the poster. If you read my original post, you would find I was talking about a L22 caster casting a L14 spell in a skill capped school. First off, I was not basing my reaction on memory - I was looking at statistics of my casts and analyzing them. Secondly, no - fizzle rates of 20% or so *UNDER THOSE CONDITIONS* did NOT happen in live. I notice that every example you quote is about a L50 or above and/or in an expansion not yet supported and/or a condition caused by a bug. I played some 10 characters in live through L22 to L45, and never had a 20% fizzle rate on a spell more than five levels below me - I would have complained and maybe quit playing, just as I did here. So, while you may not be a liar per se, you are certainly a troll.

mwatt - That character is a healer, and I have lost several party members and myself more than once due to multiple fizzles on high cost spells. My reaction was as I indicated above :-) .