Agro with the new patch

[Allishia]

For war team!

So far only combo that holds agro safely is Red Blade + Nev horn...even epic 2hander is too slow and if no procs it sucks. All other procs seem crappy, I've proced trident x2 and it went right to melee like I didn't even proc..

Even the nev horn proc doesn't seem to help, but the swing agro is good enough to sustain to cover till red blade procs.

I think maybe its a bug that other weps dont agro at all..hoping they fix it. Tried many vp weps, feverblade is pretty much zero agro now lol.

Shaman/enc slow is crazy agro too. I only call my proc message on red blade procs, since its only one that seems to matter now.

[Ooloo]

Wait, shaman slow *is* crazy aggro, meaning it generates a lot of aggro? Cause some other dude earlier in the thread was saying slow now generates almost no aggro.

SKs\Pals have been complaining their snap aggro spells don't work now, which should be good for warriors, but warriors depend on procs and clickies. So if those are effed too, basically all tanks now suck.

What is going on?

[Chortles Snortles]

guys i can’t auto attack and watch kids chinese cartoons anymore help
(lol)

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait, shaman slow *is* crazy aggro, meaning it generates a lot of aggro? Cause some other dude earlier in the thread was saying slow now generates almost no aggro.

SKs\Pals have been complaining their snap aggro spells don't work now, which should be good for warriors, but warriors depend on procs and clickies. So if those are effed too, basically all tanks now suck.

What is going on?

Classic is what's going on.

[Ooloo]

Yeah I know but one post is saying shaman slow, which has historically always been huge aggro on p99, is now *not* doing much aggro at all. Then Allishya said "sham/enc slow is crazy aggro too".

I do think aggro mechanics were kind of silly before, warriors shouldn't have to just depend on mindless clickies for insta aggro, but this seems like maybe a bit of an overcorrection?

[Karanis]

Can confirm that slow/blind aggro on a 60 shaman is super weak/low now, before, a big slow on a low level mob that was already aggroed onto me would glue them to me until they died to a lowbie's melee hits, now, I can dump multiple slows onto a mob and they'll pull off me with low white hits in a handful of rounds.

[Allishia]

Originally Posted by Ooloo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait, shaman slow *is* crazy aggro, meaning it generates a lot of aggro? Cause some other dude earlier in the thread was saying slow now generates almost no aggro.

SKs\Pals have been complaining their snap aggro spells don't work now, which should be good for warriors, but warriors depend on procs and clickies. So if those are effed too, basically all tanks now suck.

What is going on?

Let me rephrase.

IF red blade doesn't proc, slow can pull agro, if it procs, slow doesn't gank the agro. I'm talkin early into fight too.

But other wep procs, like trident / fevergblade, procs dont help, so have to wait for swing agro to build.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Karanis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can confirm that slow/blind aggro on a 60 shaman is super weak/low now, before, a big slow on a low level mob that was already aggroed onto me would glue them to me until they died to a lowbie's melee hits, now, I can dump multiple slows onto a mob and they'll pull off me with low white hits in a handful of rounds.

Range?

[Ooloo]

Okay, so I guess for a war it ultimately isn't a huge difference between "melee wait for procs" and "melee wait for swings" then.

Definitely seems like a bit of an overcorrection with this patch. Like slow is extremely powerful once it lands, so it makes sense for a mob to get very pissed at the slower. Maybe it was too much before, but it definitely should still be up there.

Uthgaard dug up some relevant in-era dev quotes about aggro that seem to cut against these changes, waiting to see if anything comes of that.

[drfuzz]

This sounds like that dark time back 20 years ago on Live servers when the shamans got tired of dying on raids every time they slowed a boss raid mob, and so the devs massively reduced disease based aggro. Suddenly all us SKs didn’t have our snap aggro anymore. That’s why they gave us the crappy aggro spells.