The Epics are not Epic!

[WokeCat]

Originally Posted by Solist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yet the rogue epic is one of 4 (ragebringer, swiftwind, celestial fist, staff of 4) that never ever gets replaced. Even with full BIS and vyemm+mrylokar offhand, you swap in RB for backstabs. We can get by without any other epic and be pretty effective, even without cleric epics we’d make do. Every other class replaces theirs or doesn’t use at all or isn’t too heavily affected by not using it.

They’re all nice to have though for various reasons and scenarios.

I don't know how realistic it would be to get these items on P99 during Kunark / before Velious, or how many players may have had access to them when the game launched back in the day.

But I was able to experiment with a lot of weapons over on TLP and discovered that a Rogue with a Razor Sharp Short Sword and Feverblade will easily out-damage a Rogues who were using Ragebringers. Granted I had a PoSKY belt which had 41% haste on it, and IDK if Feverblade procs the same on P99, but I swear to God it was proc'ing every 2 seconds.

My point though was that it made me question whether or not some of the best geared Rogues during Kunark replaced their Ragebringers before Velious came out. (I understand you could still swap Ragebringer in for more backstab damage, but I wasn't aware of the fact that RSSS and FB did insane damage prior to experimenting with them).

[unsunghero]

People probably have it as some sort of “I couldn’t get this when I played the original game so I want it now” personal milestone motivating them more than the actual power of the item

Me, I never cared much about any of that, it’s not like I’m trying to out-nerd my 16yr old self at nearly 40. But it also helps that the enc epic is a stat stick borderline-needless mana saver esp to someone who wouldn’t ever raid much

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by long.liam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Too Many people here are obsessed with getting their Epic. The epics aren't really that amazing. Despite calling them an Epic Quest, they don't actually make your character "Epic". A Enchanter with/without the Epic is till the most powerful class in the game. The Shaman still 2nd most powerful with/without epic. 3rd for necro and on and on. Epic is just nice little item. No of them really game changers in any form.

WTF you talking about?

Enc epic is a living snake staff - a clear reference to Moses channelling god-like power.

The real question, is why the snake staff - a symbol of medicine - isn't the epic for a healer class (like shaman or cleric).

[long.liam]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

WTF you talking about?

Enc epic is a living snake staff - a clear reference to Moses channelling god-like power.

The real question, is why the snake staff - a symbol of medicine - isn't the epic for a healer class (like shaman or cleric).

Okay? What does the epic's appearance have anything to with it capabilities. It could littearly look like a piece turd for all I care. I'm only concerned with what the epic actually does. Does it give a massive advantage to a player or it just a stupid trophy that does a lil mana free clickie? The Fungi is more of Epic item IMO, than any actual epic and it littearly looks like a cloth shirt. Arguable looks like piece of shit item, but is a game changer for any character that has one.

[Vaarsuvius]

Originally Posted by long.liam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay? What does the epic's appearance have anything to with it capabilities. It could littearly look like a piece turd for all I care. I'm only concerned with what the epic actually does. Does it give a massive advantage to a player or it just a stupid trophy that does a lil mana free clickie? The Fungi is more of Epic item IMO, than any actual epic and it littearly looks like a cloth shirt. Arguable looks like piece of shit item, but is a game changer for any character that has one.

So would you proudly use & wield a giant dildo if it's stats & clicky were awesome ?
More power to you, I know I never would. That's not how I imagine a RPG/ MMO character of mine.
For the same reason, and no matter what their ratio / stats can be, I will never use a shovel, shard of night or a shield on a caster

To each his own I guess.



PS: sorry you don't have your epics

[wagorf]

Originally Posted by Vaarsuvius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So would you proudly use & wield a giant dildo if it's stats & clicky were awesome ?
More power to you, I know I never would. That's not how I imagine a RPG/ MMO character of mine.
For the same reason, and no matter what their ratio / stats can be, I will never use a shovel, shard of night or a shield on a caster

finally someone with some sense here

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The real question, is why the snake staff - a symbol of medicine - isn't the epic for a healer class (like shaman or cleric).

Snakes are strongly associated with deception all the way back to biblical story, and in the case of hooded snakes (cobras) particularly, with seemingly hypnotizing or mesmerizing their prey. It very much fits for the enchanter class.

[Danth]

On an unrelated note (hence separate post), you are correct that a lot of "epic" weapons, aren't. They weren't originally called that by the Verant, either. That was a community-driven term that eventually became standard. They were added, really, as a result of the popularity of the paladin's Fiery Avenger quest. Essentially Verant decided to give everyone a similar lengthy quest for a high-quality weapon that had a visible particle effect.

Danth

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Snakes are strongly associated with deception all the way back to biblical story, and in the case of hooded snakes (cobras) particularly, with seemingly hypnotizing or mesmerizing their prey. It very much fits for the enchanter class.

Technochally allso protection

*sneks

And Royals/gubbernment/ power over land.

I feel the deception thing is a modern trend because of revolutionary/reset during biblical tines. So however is correct especially in the context of modern EQ.

Enchanters are the most evil class and should be deleted or heavily made classic agains, fixed. As reported in the bugs forums.

[Loke]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

WTF you talking about?

Enc epic is a living snake staff - a clear reference to Moses channelling god-like power.

The real question, is why the snake staff - a symbol of medicine - isn't the epic for a healer class (like shaman or cleric).

The crazy thing about that Moses comparison is that the turning the staff into a serpent wasn't what got the Pharaoh all hot and bothered, because after Aaron (Moses' brother, who is actually who does it) does, Pharoah has his sorcerer's do it as well. Then Aaron's serpent eats the sorcerer's serpents, which I guess is the thing that displays god's favor for Aaron/Moses.

Moral of the story... turning staves into snakes is no biggie, but Egyptians apparently took snake fighting seriously.

Also, this post is dumb. Most epics are pretty huge utility items. Bard completely changes the class (literally only singing mod in the game, and 1.8 to all mods + weapon), rangers get a 50% main hand slow weapon, war blue blade is like 90 ATK, free pet haste on ench epic, rogue epic super easy to obtain 15 dmg piercer + haste + ATK... like, some are better than others, but they're all worth getting except maybe Paladin and arguably SK.