Warriors. Who tanks with a 2h?

[Troxx]

Well well now. I apparently triggered someone somehow without trying.

[Solist]

Alli uses a lot of scepters unnessesarily, and doesnt spend her life 45mins at a time farming them.

During VS you can free cast totems the entire fight as the tank, as nothing is hitting you when runed.

[Allishia]

Originally Posted by Solist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Alli uses a lot of scepters unnessesarily, and doesnt spend her life 45mins at a time farming them.

During VS you can free cast totems the entire fight as the tank, as nothing is hitting you when runed.

Lol we have perma scepter farmers getting paid for it and scepters last me a while thank you! I just use a click here or there if need and only on specific mobs /nod.

I honestly did not know about the cast with rune on, will try that ty!

[Solist]

Originally Posted by Allishia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol we have perma scepter farmers getting paid for it and scepters last me a while thank you! I just use a click here or there if need and only on specific mobs /nod.

I honestly did not know about the cast with rune on, will try that ty!

VS is a gongshow. Generally 2 things happen. Some spaz with low AC rocking -15 ears etc tanks it with a 2hs and drops rune every 4 seconds gets shitstomped on rune drop or , loses aggro and it flips around a bunch. That or the pet breaks and it was the pet who had aggro and the wiz gets summoned.

Max AC gear, plus shield AC, click totems. Throw an offhand on when the DPS arrives.
VS is uniquely the only 'raid' mob (thats duoable....) where AC is the only thing that really matters, probably make the argument horn of hsagra/whitestone should be the only thing used to be honest.

Monks can do same. Really need that buckler of insight on mine [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Troxx]

Super importantly Toxigen, When it comes to melee THREAT … Melee threat is dealt in full whether you minimum hit, miss, hit max or even critically hit. Actual dps on target and melee threat on target are different. Miss or hit, it doesn’t matter. So whether you miss with your axe or hit is irrelevant.

What does matter is landing that first proc and this is in line with what you pointed out above. And as you stated the most critical time is the first 30 seconds and this is where 2h tanking gets funky. You are 50% less likely to land that first critical proc early.

Right before I had to go into retirement I had enough dkp saved up to grab some green scales and finish my red epic. Unfortunately life happened. It was always my plan. In the before time you could also unload a full mallet to offset that nasty random number generator which always likes to hose ya over.

In the 9 months leading up to my 2 year break and since returning I still am impressed by Frostreaver. By far the best option I had for now. I would have liked to rank a wider range of NToV dragons with it but I wasn’t AGs strongest tank so only got to tank a few dragons in there (some minor an a handful of major ones). Never had any problems.

[Toxigen]

Frostreaver is, by and large, the best bang-for-buck warrior weapon out there. It goes for insanely cheap DKP (theres a reason though...the real wars are saving for scales and koi trident).

No one is going to say you can't be on the tank list because you only have a Frostreaver. You just may be near the bottom.

And pardon my ignorance on the finer details of threat generation. I am but a simple elf.

[Troxx]

And that’s what I was saving for lol

[Gannun]

I came to the same conclusion as you a while back on the Frostreaver.

However there is one critical error. The damage bonus is not 37. That's what it is on live.

It is 23 from memory, worked out from the difference between a critical and the actual damage.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Gannun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I came to the same conclusion as you a while back on the Frostreaver.

However there is one critical error. The damage bonus is not 37. That's what it is on live.

It is 23 from memory, worked out from the difference between a critical and the actual damage.

I’m fairly certain it is 37 but admittedly I will have to go back and double check. Current values should be a starting dmg bonus of 28 at delay 28 and then scaling up (monk TStaff being 29 at delay 30). Assuming level 60 of course.

I’m pretty confident AoW would not flip because FR is insufficient aggro. You don’t see FR main tanking … because you use your BEST geared warriors from a survivability standpoint. Best geared warriors generally have far more tools at their disposal … and as I have already preciously stated if I had Trident/red-epic I would use it. I have also, stupidly, but more than once ripped aggro from similar aggro setups.

True/true unrelated.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’m pretty confident AoW would not flip because FR is insufficient aggro. It’s because you use your best geared warriors from a survivability standpoint. Best geared warriors generally have far more tools at their disposal … and as I have already preciously stated if I had Trident/red-epic I would use it. I have also, stupidly, but more than once ripped aggro from similar aggro setups.

True/true unrelated.

It's both to be honest. Typically your well geared warriors also have great agro generation weapons. They may not be Trident/Red Blade since those are really hard to get, but the warriors who are high on the MT list typically have superior weapons to Frostreaver.

I have been to a lot of AoW kills, and never saw one Warrior use Frostreaver. 100% anecdotal, but that is what you were looking for. Typically from what I remember, when we were training warriors to MT AoW, they were still really well geared. You basically need to get the gear first before you become an option.

Things may have changed since then. I don't raid much these days.

Also from what I recall Warriors sometimes used https://wiki.project1999.com/Whitestone_Shield on AoW. So a 2H weapon is off the table anyway. You need a good 1H weapon to sword and board.